Do we believe in Machina Dynamics?

Newbee, thank you for your response. I realize you came to the party a little late and as such I did not feel that I, needed, or should have to bring you up to speed regarding the on-going pissing contest between Pauly and I.

If you would like to take a little of your time and read the thread where it all started here it is. If you do take the time to read my posts as well as Paul's I think you will find the answers to all your questions. The last page should answers your questions on the why and how a cover plate can affect the sound of an audio system. Be It for the better, or, for the worse. I would like you to post back here with your comments good or bad. I have read many of your posts and I have found you to be a fair man.
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08-12-07: Newbee

Jea48, I guess you can credit my post to ignorance, interest, and a lack of civility that is becoming a far bigger component in posts about tweaks than the tweaks themselves. Your 'hearing' attack on Pauly was just the perverbial straw. There have been far more eggregious comments by others including Pauly and tgb.

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08-07-07: Pauly

Two weeks I tested a SS, wooden and plastic outlet cover plates back to back. Observation = zero difference.

So far from being swept under the carpet, the so-called cover plate tweak is nothing other than crap.
08-07-07: Pauly

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Here is the classic Paul. He ran his experiments, and I believe he really did. And I believe him when he said he did not hear any difference from his system. But Paul couldn't leave it at that, no, because in his tests on his system he didn't hear any difference therefore no one anywhere in the world will hear any difference..... And thus he just had to add the topping.

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So far from being swept under the carpet, the so-called cover plate tweak is nothing other than crap.

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08-12-07: Newbee

Your 'hearing' attack on Pauly was just the perverbial straw. There have been far more eggregious comments by others including Pauly and tgb.

Don't think I never considered the flack that I might get form that statement. That is why I provided the link.
We all get old..........
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Jea48, Thanks for the invittion but I think this thread needs to go to sleep now. If these subjects come up again I might join in. :-)

I think the answers to my question of whether tweaks work or are fraud both are yes. IMHO, and I think in everyone's humble opinions some work and others don't. Again in IMHO, one cannot judge a tweak by ones failure to understand how it works or even whether are not many others have found it beneficial. All that really matters is whether one finds it beneficial in ones own system. Given my personal experience, even within ones own system a tweak that works at one time may not at a later time, when your awareness brings to the fore its side effects or when something changes in your system.

As to whether some tweaks are frauds, again I would say the answer is yes. But I think that there are less costly tweaks that are designed to be inexpensive that to some offer little or no benefit. I have personally experiences many tweaks, some of which have no benefit for me but which others find beneficial, including some who I greatly respect. Are they frauds? I think not, although I even hear losses in using them.

Why did I introduce this thread? Because I do not think it is a simple issue of fraud or not., or work or not. I also think personal understanding of the physical principles involve is not a worth criterion for what is fraud and what is not. Scientists have often made such judgments about new ideas only to find later that the new ideas are correct and existing theories need to be altered.

Too often discussions of new components, Memory Player, or power cords, or tweaks discussions end up in what Newbee prefers to describe as "pissing contests." This is true in science also, but at least there most offer alternative explanations of what is going on. Fortunately, in audio it is merely whether or not to buy a tweak or componet. If one likes it, I cannot understand why anyone would argue they should not buy it, whether or not the critics understand how it works or have even personally found it useless.

Sorry, I posted this on the wrong thread.

I cannot believe that Agon with all the quality products that are available lets this charlatan sell his crap on this respected site, sorry but words escape me I am totally gob smacked that people actually buy this.

Give your cash to Greenpeace, Oxfam the Sally army.... Hell give it to the Republican Party.

But buy purchasing this crap on Agon only serves to lessen the credibility of the other guys selling cables for thousands of dollars

My dad used to say a fool and his money is soon parted and never was a truer word spoken.