Why China Isnt Happening Yet

Jea48, you really should get your facts straight. It's so easy to put a large umbrella over everything. Do you know why virtually every country wants to do business with China right now? Do you know why many are saying China is going to be the world's biggest market for consumer goods very soon? Do you know why they are already the largest cell phone market? Besides indicating the sheer size of their population, it also suggests that Chinese consumers have money to spend. In Hong Kong, Chinese tourists are touted as the reason for their recent economic revival.

Of course there are poor people. Maybe where you live, you don't see any when you look outside. But it exists everywhere. And the poorest people and the worst conditions tend to be found in the most developed and "rich" cities. And you do know that one of the reasons China became Communist in the first place is due to the US government.

As far as chinese audio equipment goes, I have to agree with those that have observed that it is a mixed bag. Some components, such a the Antique Sound Labs pieces I've handled have been very cheaply manufactured and poor values in my opinion. On the other hand, the Cayin stuff that I've played with is very well made and an excellent value.

As far as "worrying" about China's future in world commerce, etc., I have to agree with Danlib1. China has shown a greater historical propensity for self immolation than any other nation in human history. The Chinese developed technology and social structure that predated similar western developments by hundreds, to over a thousand years, and yet turned inward and regressed. The nation has done this more than once, and could easily do it again. The fomula is in place for just such an occurrence as it is run by a small authoritarian group that will tolerate the newly "liberalized" economy as long as it doesn't substantially threaten its hegemony. As money buys power everywhere, I don't think it will take long before some neuvoriche industrialist oversteps the tolerance of the regime. Recent events in the Russian energy industry may be particularly instructive. We'll see, I guess.

>>"Do you know why virtually every country wants to do business with China right now?"<<
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Yes, they are building their factories in China, but how will that help workers here in the USA?
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Do you know why many are saying China is going to be the world's biggest market for consumer goods very soon?
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True, but again the products will be manufactured in China, not the USA.
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>>"In Hong Kong, Chinese tourists are touted as the reason for their recent economic revival."<<
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China just recently regained control of Hong Kong from the British in 1997. You could not of picked a worse example for your argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Hong_Kong
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That "big sucking sound" you hear is the wealth of your country going to China.

I was watching a program on TV about four years ago. A Government official was explaining how great globalization was going to be for the world. Cheaper products for consumers. How it will raise the standard of living for poor countries.

As the government official went on how great globalization was going to be for the USA he was asked in the process if American jobs would be lost, and how would the standard of living of American worker be affected. He explained through the process there would be some pain. Our standard of living would come down some as the poor nations standard of living increased. Things will equalize.....

In my mind I could see two charts, scales. One of the U.S. and the other of a country like China. The U.S. a 10, China a 2. Equalization?? China, maybe a 5, the U.S. hopefully not less than a 5.

The government official was asked how long the equalization might take. He answered about 25 years.....
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>>"And you do know that one of the reasons China became Communist in the first place is due to the US government."<<
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That would explain why the communist Chinese Military test fired a missile into the ocean with a range that could hit our center of government, Washington DC....

Guidance system used, the best in the world, straight from the USA.

Jea48, do you only buy consumer goods that are manufactured in the USA? You should, otherwise, don't hate on others for someone else's decision. Building factories in China doesn't help the US worker, but it helps the US consumer. But again, it's not the Chinese who negotiated with American owners to move their factories, it's usually the other way around. And Chinese manufacturing will continue to improve.

I am aware that China just regained control of Hong Kong. What's your point? Why is my example a bad one? In the early years after 1997, mainland Chinese could not travel to Hong Kong that easily. Hong Kong businesses also never catered to the mainland Chinese. When the Chinese government made it easier for citizens in China to travel to Hong Kong, combined with businesses starting to cater to Chinese tourists, their tourist economy revived.

If you study economics, you might understand (not saying you have to agree), the benefits of globalization. Like many things such as communism, the theory in itself is good IMO, what gets in the way is selfish human nature.

To relate this back to audio, many of us here started with very humble systems. If those knockouts or whatever you want to call them, get many people started on this hobby, I say all the power to them. (my first instrument was probably a no-name plastic jingle). You have to make do with what you have. And when they find that they enjoy this hobby, they'll probably look for something better. And if American manufacturers offer products that offer better value than what Chinese manufacturers can come up with, they'll purchase American gear, unless they, similar to you, refuse to buy American gear for fear that Americans would suck away all their money.

China is a "communist" country in name only!

In reality, China is a right-wing "facist" dictatorship much like Hitler's Germany and Mussolini"s Italy.

Like Germany and Italy, China is now a corporate state (a term coined by Mussolini). The fianicial interests of business and the political goals of government essentially merge at the expense and influence of the common citizen.

Under the current administration, the USA is heading down the same road. The Wall Sreet crowd submits its wish list to the President and Congress. By and large, they get what they want. We get higher Medicaid/Medicare premiums, fewer student loans, less child care subsides to pay for the military-industrial complex and its policy of continuous war. Viet Nam morphs into a Reganesque spending frenzy. The hoped for "peace dividend" when the communist system colapses never materializes; instead, we get a so-called "war on terrorism" that seeks to redraw the geo-political map to the interests of business.

We can spend hundred of billions of dollars on a war but somehow it's not in our national interests to see that every American has medical coverage.

"What can a poor boy do..." says Jagger/Richard. I don't know. I guess I'll go into my listening room and turn up the volume to drown out the surrounding madness.