Why China Isnt Happening Yet

>>"Do you know why virtually every country wants to do business with China right now?"<<
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Yes, they are building their factories in China, but how will that help workers here in the USA?
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Do you know why many are saying China is going to be the world's biggest market for consumer goods very soon?
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True, but again the products will be manufactured in China, not the USA.
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>>"In Hong Kong, Chinese tourists are touted as the reason for their recent economic revival."<<
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China just recently regained control of Hong Kong from the British in 1997. You could not of picked a worse example for your argument.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Hong_Kong
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That "big sucking sound" you hear is the wealth of your country going to China.

I was watching a program on TV about four years ago. A Government official was explaining how great globalization was going to be for the world. Cheaper products for consumers. How it will raise the standard of living for poor countries.

As the government official went on how great globalization was going to be for the USA he was asked in the process if American jobs would be lost, and how would the standard of living of American worker be affected. He explained through the process there would be some pain. Our standard of living would come down some as the poor nations standard of living increased. Things will equalize.....

In my mind I could see two charts, scales. One of the U.S. and the other of a country like China. The U.S. a 10, China a 2. Equalization?? China, maybe a 5, the U.S. hopefully not less than a 5.

The government official was asked how long the equalization might take. He answered about 25 years.....
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>>"And you do know that one of the reasons China became Communist in the first place is due to the US government."<<
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That would explain why the communist Chinese Military test fired a missile into the ocean with a range that could hit our center of government, Washington DC....

Guidance system used, the best in the world, straight from the USA.

Jea48, do you only buy consumer goods that are manufactured in the USA? You should, otherwise, don't hate on others for someone else's decision. Building factories in China doesn't help the US worker, but it helps the US consumer. But again, it's not the Chinese who negotiated with American owners to move their factories, it's usually the other way around. And Chinese manufacturing will continue to improve.

I am aware that China just regained control of Hong Kong. What's your point? Why is my example a bad one? In the early years after 1997, mainland Chinese could not travel to Hong Kong that easily. Hong Kong businesses also never catered to the mainland Chinese. When the Chinese government made it easier for citizens in China to travel to Hong Kong, combined with businesses starting to cater to Chinese tourists, their tourist economy revived.

If you study economics, you might understand (not saying you have to agree), the benefits of globalization. Like many things such as communism, the theory in itself is good IMO, what gets in the way is selfish human nature.

To relate this back to audio, many of us here started with very humble systems. If those knockouts or whatever you want to call them, get many people started on this hobby, I say all the power to them. (my first instrument was probably a no-name plastic jingle). You have to make do with what you have. And when they find that they enjoy this hobby, they'll probably look for something better. And if American manufacturers offer products that offer better value than what Chinese manufacturers can come up with, they'll purchase American gear, unless they, similar to you, refuse to buy American gear for fear that Americans would suck away all their money.

China is a "communist" country in name only!

In reality, China is a right-wing "facist" dictatorship much like Hitler's Germany and Mussolini"s Italy.

Like Germany and Italy, China is now a corporate state (a term coined by Mussolini). The fianicial interests of business and the political goals of government essentially merge at the expense and influence of the common citizen.

Under the current administration, the USA is heading down the same road. The Wall Sreet crowd submits its wish list to the President and Congress. By and large, they get what they want. We get higher Medicaid/Medicare premiums, fewer student loans, less child care subsides to pay for the military-industrial complex and its policy of continuous war. Viet Nam morphs into a Reganesque spending frenzy. The hoped for "peace dividend" when the communist system colapses never materializes; instead, we get a so-called "war on terrorism" that seeks to redraw the geo-political map to the interests of business.

We can spend hundred of billions of dollars on a war but somehow it's not in our national interests to see that every American has medical coverage.

"What can a poor boy do..." says Jagger/Richard. I don't know. I guess I'll go into my listening room and turn up the volume to drown out the surrounding madness.

Just a couple of thoughts...

to describe human nature as "selfish" is not unlike calling an elephant large. What we call "selfishness" is simply a basic human trait. Sure we try to rise above our base instincts, but they are in the end an inseperable part of human beings. That's why every attempt at idealized "egalatarian" socities has failed. These systems ignore the fact that you don't get gold from cow shit.

Western style democracies with free market economies approach the subject from the opposite end- acknowledge this "selfishness" through respect for personal property rights and personal freedoms. Yeah, it can be ugly in some respects (lopsided distribution of wealth, etc.) but it at least recognizes the basic traits of human beings and attempts to channel these traits productively.

Now, as for this term "right wing facist"..

Germany and Italy, as "AXIS Powers", were National Socialists. In National Socialism, private parties can own the means of production but government determines what is produced and the quantities thereof. According to Marx and Engles, National Socialism is NOT "right wing"- it is in fact a stepping stone toward the "true communist state".

China, and the USSR, have never really been communist. They have always been subject to rule by party personalities with no term limits, who ruled with absolute power until they died. The "common citizen" in China is no worse off than he was under Maoism, and far less likely to die at the whim of the party leader.

What will be interesting is how China will control it's citizenry's desire for prosperity. It won't be easy, given our selfish nature :)

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Here is a name some of you may recognize. This is a post that Mr. Hansen responded to over on AA.
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hidden costs of Chinese products - Charles Hansen 07:19:33 05/21/05 (11)

In Reply to: Re: where is the new ARCAM manufactured? posted by suretyguy on May 2, 2005 at 11:47:23:

"There are hidden costs of Chinese products, but they are not borne by you, the consumer. Instead, they are borne by the Chinese workers and the people who live there.
During my visit to several Chinese loudspeaker cabinet factories, I saw no regard whatsoever for workers' health. The spray booths were the worst. The workers here worked full shifts spraying lacquer finishes with no respirators whatsoever. It's only a matter of time before these guys have brain impairment, liver damage, and probably cancer."

"The toxic chemical waste was simply dumped, either in the sewer or the back lot. These chemicals will of course enter the drinking water supply eventually. You may remember the horror of Love Canal in this country. There are thousands of similar disasters brewing in China."

"Finally you save money buying Chinese products because the workers are paid around $2 per day. Ignoring any other aspects of this, it is clear that US workers cannot compete with this. So buying Chinese costs American jobs, where we expect a living wage, health insurance, and educational opportunities for our children."

"It's your choice."
[Charles Hansen]
http://db.audioasylum.com/scripts/t.pl?f=general&m=382782
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