Listening out of the Sweet Spot - What Works?


What factors most contribute to a system's ability to portray a realistic impression of live music when listening from a separate room in the house. I've had some systems that were startlingly live sounding from another room, or even another floor. I've also have had systems that were hair-raising in the sweet spot, but once you were out of the room that same system sounded very hifi and not at all convincing. I wonder what system-specific factors determine how convincing a system is away from the sweet spot. Obviously the space, and inter-relations of spaces within a house or apartment will play some roll, but I have a hunch that the system-specific factors may play an even stronger roll. In general I've found the SS systems I've used to be more convincing from afar, where tube-based systems tend to fall off more sharply when out of the room. There have been exceptions in my experience, but in general this has held true. I am limiting my own observations to more simple acoustic music and not more complex layered music like a symphony performance or rock concert. In those cases I can't think of any systems I've owned that have convincingly created the illusion of a symphony orchestra from a room or two away. Obviously soundstage and scale is not a factor here. Anyone have any thoughts on the subject or experience to share? In turn, where is one's money best invested to create a system that convincingly realistic from other rooms in the house, or outside of the sweet spot?
jax2
You have to to ask? Why the biggest jar of MD Brilliant Pebbles near your listening vantage point, of course silly. Don't you know? The molecular structure of the BP vibrates in lockstep with the phase irregularites to make sure the teeny tiny fluctuations (you know the ones that define microdynamics) arrive in pure time and phase coherence within your ear canal. It was so simple. As long as your trusty $200 jar of nice beautiful rocks is within line of site your all set Jax2!!! In my case my cat's litter box rattles at just the right frequencies (yes different mass densities lurk within)..anywho, the sound where my cat hangs out is glorious. I swear Aerosmith is purring (pouring ) out of my speakers
What factors most contribute to a system's ability to portray a realistic impression of live music when listening from a separate room in the house
No set-up that I've experienced is any approximation to live/ real. Having said that, a realistic portrayal of what is available AT the sweet spot often happens when:
1) Speakers have reasonable or better power response characteristics
2) Speakers have been set up with absolute care and are thereby fully coupled (that's extremely rare) -- that helps propagate the complimentary energy between the spkrs.
3) The Freq extension is acceptable or better from mid-bass downward.
4) Of course, there are some openings between the spkrs room and where you are standing. Otherwise you only hear the low freq.
5) In order to achieve some of the above, you need more than anaemic electronics, etc.
6) The first & second are most important. The rest is useful.
Here's a dumbo answer! You're no longer listening to all of the soundstaging clues and you are listening just to the music when you are in a nearby room. If your equipment is not matched and optimally set up the angst you experience in not getting that pure holographic sound effect from the sweet seat will destroy the 'music', or even if it is perfectly matched and set up you will just sit and bask in the glory of your systems sound and still not listen to the 'music'.

For some the reduction in high frequency response might also be more reminiscent of live music.

FWIW I used to have a system in my office. It was distracting, not the music, just the 'sound effects' or lack there of. I now listen to my main system a room and a wide hall away and love it so much more.
but nirvana comes from just digging your stuff and the way it sounds, and most of all, collecting the music that best defines who you are....

Well said. Thanks for that reminder as it is easy to loose track of when you are so focused on the empty part of the glass, or the glass itself (the vehicle for delivery).

Dpac 996 - No kitty Litter. Maybe I need to train our Bullmastiff to use a litter box. Could be a stinky proposition though. How about a litterbox full of Brilliant Pebbles!?!?! How about Cocoa Pebbles, would they work? Maybe I should just stuff the pebbles into my ear canals to maintain phase coherence?

Newbee, my friend...not at all an answer worthy of large flapping elephant ears! Angst certainly factors into the equation when you are dealing with A. Nervosa. I've always been able to work with music playing, direct or indirect, it never seems to be a distraction for me. For my wife, who was trained as a musician, it is impossible (her mind follows the music). I actually get more done with music playing, than I do in silence.

As an addendum, it seems to me that the systems I recall working to greatest effect from a distance, all had some added muscle pushing the music, while those that suffered most when out of the sweet spot have been the lower powered systems of which I am most fond. That fondness seems to end when I leave the "sweet seat", as Newbee so eloquently put it. Perhaps it's just the added energy with which the sound waves are being pushed...or am I showing my complete ignorance in physics here?

GregM -I cannot imagine how careful speaker setup would have anything at all to do with how well the music comes off upstairs (for instance). Your other suggestions are more to the point, IMO. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your version of careful speaker setup as I'd associate that with their abiltiy to image and produce a beliveable soundstage, but not to be convincing from a far. One of the systems I recall (which I still have, but in a different location), was playing solo piano downstairs one day when we had some workmen in the house. One asked if there was a piano downstairs. We have a rather open and 'live' house that is rather small as well.

I also seem to recall a discussion with my friend, Howard (Boa2) where he mentioned that in moving from SET to a rather powerful SS amp in his system that he experienced more enjoyment from the perspective of just walking around, doing work around the house while listening, as opposed to critical listening. The SET system did not engage him as much from another room, and I also have the same experience with my SET system. I'll have to point out this thread to him as I'm sure he could chime in from his own perspective, which I may not be recalling verbatim.

Thanks for the input.

Marco
Marco,
Yes, that's exactly it, and this is precisely the reason we moved from SET to SS. For the past year, we have not had the time to sit in front of the system and actively listen. But we still want to listen to music. Our 104dB speakers surely don't need more than a few watts to fill the room with music, but the SETs--and we've heard at least 5 of them in our system--sound thin when listening outside the audio room. On the other side of the tube spectrum, higher wattage push/pulls often sound nightclub-ish boomy when outside the room. I'm sure it has much to do with the layout of our place.

Using the higher watt SS amp with a tube preamp proved to be the ticket for us. It fills the entire house with an even pressure of emotionally engaging music. When I can actively sit in the sweet spot, nothing connects quite like that triode sound. But for moving around the house, the SS does the trick.

Great topic, Marco, one that is often ignored when someone asks for a recommendation, or declares component XYZ to be 'the best'. Because whether a person mostly listens actively or passively can dramatically change which system setup, and which component options, will in fact best fit the individual's goal.