Componets first, cables second?


I often hear about the improvements cables have made to systems, whether IC or speaker cables. Then IK hear the advice, buy the best components you can afford and upgrade cables along the way.

What I am wondering is is it, buy the best compnents you can afford and worry about cables later on down the road, or is it, a balance between the two to achieve the sound one is after?

For xample, to be more concrete, should I buy a better CDP and sacrifice on the cabling or should I buy a more moderate CDP and get a high quality cable?

Any expereince/advice is welcome
Cheers
mariasplunge
"i stand by my statement. if one auditions combinations of cables and say a cd player, one can answer the question posed by this thread without having to request opinions."

Which applies to virtually every thread about everything being discussed here, so apparently we should just cease and desist, unless you deem it useful?

This person is asking for the guidance of the assembled masses, regarding their experiences and what the results are.

Your dismissing of any value of the discussion or the guidance being supplied with your condescending tone adds less than nothing, at best.

You make Carlos seem benevolant with your smary comments.
Metro04, +++ I honestly don't know how Shadorne's … that's nothing to scoff at by anyone's standards, and far from being "consumer"! +++

Shadorne has put his money down and I am sure he enjoys his system a lot (and kudos to him for that), but using a cheap CD source really eliminates as an audiophile. The old adage “garbage in garbage” is as true today as ever.

If your system cannot reveal the differences in the characteristics of different cables, then it wouldn’t be anything I’ll bother spending a minute listening to. I have a few friends with the same priorities as Shadorne – they’re into their music for sure, but the boom-boom-boom is what it’s all about for them.

Regards
Paul
Attacks seem to be more interesting than trying to come up with a direct answer or opinion.Mariaplunge-sorry your thread had to go in this direction.Maybe some of these posters can exchange phone numbers and keep this out of the forums,and save some key strokes.
+++ it appears that for analog audio applications (at audio frequencies), wire capacitance and inductance are generally regarded as being so small as to be unimportant and can be ignored. +++

Wow, so rolling off high frequencies and bass AND inducing phase distortion is regarded as unimportant?

Add to that lack of shielding that causes the lost of low level signals.

Now why would an audiophile be concerned over something as trivial as that ... I wonder?

+++ furthermore, most electronics is designed to be insensitive to these small variations in typical wire parameters. +++

Yes, most (audio) electronics are sold at retailers like K Mart and Best Buy to individuals who wouldn't know the difference between a soprano and an Italian hitman.

But to your point, the electronics are generally insensitive to typical wire parameters. Unfortunately the signal traveling through the wire is highly sensitive to them.

If you use an inferior front end, for example a $200 CDP, you will have no problem as there will be no low level signal in the cable to start with. If you had anything resembling a decent front end, cable would make a huge difference. You should try it one day.

+++ Surely this would make wire so crucial that equipment manufacturers would publish formulas or guidelines for calculating the correct length and type cable necessary for each type of component being connected.+++

You mean companies like Krell, Coincident, Graham, Cardas, VPI, Zu Audio, Goertz, Van den Hul? Gee, you never heard of them?

+++ The absence of strict well accepted guidelines suggests that either blah blah +++

There is no absence of accepted guidelines Shadorne, you just happen not to know about them.

But the issue at hand is really that in spite of that fact that you have spent a bundle on your equipment, you aren't an audiophile. I have many friends with similar outlook as you (and no issues with that); they like music as much as I do, but they just do not listen to music with the same critical ear as I do (or as most other posters on this board do). A $250 CD jukebox will simply not extract the level of detail that warrant good cabling or power conditioning. I just shudder if I think of the myriad of nasty components used to build a CDP like that. Yech.

So you are 100% correct; good high quality cables will make very little difference to your system. It is so full of cheap and nasty components that a cheap and nasty cable will make no difference. Where you are 100% wrong is thinking that that is the hallmark of a good system. It is actually the hallmark of a K Mart system.

Regards
Paul
paul: here is a term for you and your more money = audiophile notion:
A-hole-ophile.