CD Got Absolutely Crushed By Vinyl

ruegas-the link is simply provided for added enlightenment. 

Direct your know it all wisdom elsewhere. 

A $50 Pioneer DV-05 modified with six capacitors and a higher end A/C cable will beat your Technics turntable.  Just ask Oregonpapa.  My friend modifies a 21 year old DVD player with dual lasers with just some cap to improve the power supply and some other caps (about $110 in parts).  Rivals my EAR Acute which cost $6000.  I also have a $22K analog front end.  It sounds great as well.  Sure, I hated CDs until the mid-90s due to either bad CD mastering (Japan could really do great jazz CD mastering in the mid-80s even) and generally bad CD players.  I've heard many $1000-$3000 CD players that sound very musical and enjoyable, unlike the 80s and most 90s players.

I strongly doubt any real deejays use vinyl anymore, they have not for 30 years. rap “dj”s only use one record on each turntable, which is just for time code to drive serato to play out digital rap files.

@sleepwalker65

Real DJs play vinyl (always). What you call "rap dj" is actually a hip-hop djing. Rapper is the one with a microphone, not with a turntable. The music is actually hip-hop. Rap is just a heavy rhymes over a hip-hop beat. Not all the DJs are bad, there are some incredible djs with amazing record collections and immaculate musical taste (jazz, soul, funk, soundtracks of the 60s and 70s on rare original vinyl is a part of the dj culture too). Actually the history of DJing is quite interesting, but people don’t know much about it. This is the best book about history of djing which cover everything from early radio disc-jockeys to a modern day. Personally i don’t like electronic music, but the DJing began way before electronic music was born. So if you will read about Jazz and R’n’B of the 50s, Soul Music of the 60s, Disco of the 70s you will realize what is DJing is all about.

Digital cr*p and electornic music (or heavy rap which you don’t like i believe) is just one side of the DJing in this crazy world nowadays, but as many aspects of the modern life and "show business" this is not the best side of the phenomenon called djing.

For example David Mancuso, the owner of The Loft in NYC, back in the 70s was an audiophile and record collector who became a deejay. This guy played records with Koetsu cartridges on M.Cotter turntables with Klipsch speakers at his private parties at The Loft. Here is a book about it. When we look at the dj booth of the Studio 54 in the 70s we will see Thorens turntables. Guys at Paradase Garage in the late 70s were pretty serious about sound system, i can see Thorens turntables with the Black Widow tonearms and Stanton cartridges on the pictures from that club. It’s a part of the history of djing.

BUT You can see what’s going on in The Spiritland in London today, i think you will be surprised about sound system made for djs/collectors at this venue.

You can also check Potato Head in Hong Kong to see how good could be the place where djs/collectors playin their music. I think it’s pretty impressive.

You see, not all the djs/collectors are "rap djs and clowns" as you call them. Same about audiophiles, some of them listening to absolutely horrible pop music on the most expensive systems. Some of them even prefer a CDs or digital copy to an original vinyl.

Dear @tablejockey :  "  It isn't just that the sample rate is too low, ..."

"  The other problem is that with digital recording, aside from the harassment and the complication, there's the problem of not having dedicated buttons, you have to pushing a button and recording a track and pushing another button and recording another track. Looking at the screen, moving your hand, looking at the mouse and watching it. When I'm using the 24 track machine, I never look at it. I actually punch in and out with my foot. I've been doing it for 24 years. "

The real problem there is that that interview came form 2004 !, 14 years ago ! !  ( Boston band Tom leader and recorder. ).

Obviously that he can't knew that today ADC/DAC works at 32/768.

So you link is totally useless for say the least.

R.

Dear @fleschler : You are rigth and for the ignorance of some gentlemans is totally useless to post to them because no one of them that showed here their very low knowledge levels ( in the OP specific subject. )  are not willing not to learn but just " can't read " .
Seems to me that not even make any single effort to ask their self: why if I am wrong?. No way.

Btw, yesterday I listened some CDs vs the same LPs recordings ( others CDs  has no LP mates. ). One of them was the original soundtrack of the Flashdance movie. I had many many years that I did not lisented it and is a 1981 recording ( btw, great picture. ) and is just stunning and better way better than its LP mate but was not the only that outperformed its LP mates: several makes the same like the Foreigner 4 or The Wall or Gladiator or , or, or, Glory, Blade Runner, The Mission,Geisha, The Day After Tomorrow, or After Hours. Any one of us must listen The Thin Red Line: outstanding

Again, the issue in this thread and almost any thread is the true and real knowledge levels/first hand experiences and skills of each one of us.

In that Universe that I posted 70% of us are in the mediocrity of that Universe and even at lower levels ( 15% ) and at least me already made that long learning trip/tour to stay nearer to that broader/line between the top of the mediocrity to arrive at that very top end where I think only a few ( maybe less than that 15% of the Universe. ). I know at least two gentlemans at the top end and like me a few more that are in the line of the top end. Yes, I'm still learning from every one evrey where.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.

@chakster , I make a distinction between real deejays, by using the term “deejay” and rap-“dj”s that are often referred to as “djs”. The real deejays are people who play music from media at radio stations and live events without scratching and mixing. They play music, not rap/hip-hop. They aren’t really interested in sound quality as much as getting the music out to the listeners, so in that they are similar. Part of the sub-culture of rap-“dj”s is about modifying the original sound, and while they use SL-1200mk2 turntables most often, they aren’t being used to transcribe anything but time code discs to drive serato-based systems to play out highly compressed semi-original content. It’s as far apart from music as you can get. And in the process, these ham-handed orangutans destroy millions of SL-1200mk2 turntables every year.

I mean: at the border between average and top end.
R.

Dear analog and digital lovers: For we can truly enjoy the MUSIC in any home audio system that room/audio system needs to be a FULL range audio room/ system.

That means not only that can goes not only down to 20hz and over 20khz but that in the case of the low bass range any passive speaker designs ( even if by design it shows full range specs: down to 20hz and over 30khz. ) must be mated in true stereo fashion with at least two self powered subwoofers where the main speakers will handled the frequencies from around 80hz and up and the subs 80hz and down .

Any home system with passive stereo speakers can't honor MUSIC ( with any source alternative. ) with out a dedicated designed amplifier that meets exactly the woofer(s) needs for what was designed and the MUSIC needs to puts IMD and THD at minimum. 
Subwoofers more that anything are for stereo systems and as a side " line " need it for home theather. Not the other way around.

@sleepwalker65, I can imagine you already know all those and you already have, don't you?

R.

Fleschler, I challenge your cheapo player with my even cheaper player with New Dark Matter. Are you in?

@rauliruegas , you are incomprehensible as usual. 

rauliruegas

Dear analog and digital lovers: For we can truly enjoy the MUSIC in any home audio system that room/audio system needs to be a FULL range audio room/ system.

Please remember when you are speaking for yourself, rather than declaring things as objective facts.  I remind you of this, because you don't write like you are aware of how you sound.

Any home system with passive stereo speakers can't honor MUSIC ( with any source alternative. ) with out a dedicated designed amplifier that meets exactly the woofer(s) needs for what was designed and the MUSIC needs to puts IMD and THD at minimum.
Subwoofers more that anything are for stereo systems and as a side " line " need it for home theather. Not the other way around.

Again, speak for yourself.

Any music can be "honored" via appreciation from the listener, however that happens.  Note that probably a majority of musicians...who know a little about how they like their music honored...don't necessarily own the type of system specs you recommend. 

My current system is not full range and I use tube amps, so I presume this likely goes astray of your recommendations.  Yet all of my musician friends love to hear their music on my system.  They come away thrilled.  My brother even brings over different masters of albums he's working on and he loves what he hears.
By all means, talk of your own goals.  But it just looks silly to make proclamations from your own goals as if you were delivering objective prescriptions to be adopted by all music lovers.

@sleepwalker65 

The real deejays are people who play music from media at radio stations and live events without scratching and mixing.

No necessary, the skills is another subject, someone can use a microphone between the tracks like the oldschool deejays, someone can make a perfect transition from one record to another, someone can scratch over a certain genre of music (hip-hop for example). This is all depends on the artist aka deejay. There is a big difference between a radio deejays and club deejays. Club deejay should move the crowd and unless the cowd like what he's doing and dance to it everything is ok, this is why the clubs book a deejays and pay them for what they are doing. Everyone can find the right club with the right music/sound and good deejays. Most of the commertial clubs are awful, but there are clubs for music lovers opened by music lovers (most of them are pretty small). This is how it works.  

They aren’t really interested in sound quality as much as getting the music out to the listeners, so in that they are similar.

They are all different, but i'm sure everyone would love to play on perfect sound system, the problem is that the responsibility of the sound system belongs to the club/venue. I have linked some amazing venues with Audiophile Grade sound system in my previous post addressed to you. In the venues like that everything is just like at Audiohile's home, but this is a puplic venues for people who appreciate good mucis and top quality sound.    

 Part of the sub-culture of rap-“dj”s is about modifying the original sound, and while they use SL-1200mk2 turntables most often, they aren’t being used to transcribe anything but time code discs to drive serato-based systems to play out highly compressed semi-original content. 

This is interesting, because the Digital vs. Analog debate is hot not only on audiophiles forum, but also in deejay community. In my opinion digital is a degradation of the art of deejaying. The main part of the DJ culture is crate digging. Deejays discover music, they are looking for vintage records, unknown tracks, they select music by mood, they are actually spend $$$$ on record every month! If they are good in what they are doing, but their fee per hour is high. This is a hard job. 

Then we have digital devices like Serato. In my opinion a deejay should play real vinyl only. But i know serious vinyl collectors (djs) who can't travel abroad with 200-300 LPs, especially if you're on tour for a long time in different countries you can't bring all your records with you in a luggage (you can even lost your luggage after all), so they use their own digital copies from the original vinyl. I can understand that, but this is just usability. For a normal dj gig in their own town everyone can bring a box of vinyl, no problem. 

The whole degradation of DJing began when amateurs became DJs (digital only) in the bars, they do not buy music, they do not have records, some of them are popular for another reason (designers, bloggers whatever). They do not ask for a high fee (and the bar owners are happy about it), some of them have very bad taste in music and their "performance" is just a bunch of random tunes in different genres played from mp3 or whatever they can download for free. They don't care about quality at all, all they need is some attention, free drinks and fun. Some of them can play with Serato, Pioneer CDJ players with flash card (with automatic mix option), but most of them playin with iPhone. 

P.S. Everyone who's buying records is much more accurate in choice of music, because nice records are not cheap, you can not buy everything, no time and money for bad music. But digital crap can be downloaded for FREE in whatever format in gigabytes of files, or can be streamed for free anytime. As i said before Digital has no value. 

Vinyl is a culture, Digital is just everyday life.   

Ears; they say your ears never stop growing for as long as you live. Hell, look at Lyndon Johnson. But never mind that. I've noticed that several folks have disputed my assertion that ears are analog. How could they not be analog? Just consider your digital music source; it has something called a digital to analog converter. It's not extra or a frill; it is a necessity.

Ive never bought a CD player, very happy with my records which are mostly in great condition. One thing that I noticed years ago when I did do some CD listening on a freinds Rotel system, is that I fell asleep far quicker than I do when listening to LPs. I put it down to the fact that the occasional click or pop on an LP keeps your attention.

@ckakster,

Digital files (low resolution) that are available for free are indeed crap. As you pointed out that people who buys vinyl are more selective in their choices because records are not cheap. To exploit full potential of digital streaming, one must invest in decent streamer/DAC components along with Hi-Fi subscription from Tidal.

I bet you anything, most folks who are quick to diss digital over Vinyl have not heard a good digital setup nor have any inclination to explore the potential. For them, the clicks and pops are the only way to enjoy the music 😉

Ears are simply gain devices. You can actually hear OK without them. Hel-loo! Same thing for satellite dishes, the bigger they are the more gain they provide. It’s not rocket science. 🛰

@lalitk

Digital files (low resolution) that are available for free are indeed crap. As you pointed out that people who buys vinyl are more selective in their choices because records are not cheap. To exploit full potential of digital streaming, one must invest in decent streamer/DAC components along with Hi-Fi subscription from Tidal.

Digital available for free not only in mp3 format, but also in loseless format and even in WAV and AIFF if you know where to search for them. This is the reason artists so concern about copyrights, everyone can copy an original CD or whatever digital with a loss of paper cover and plastic holder, but the quality is 1:1 (you do not lose anything).

I bet you anything, most folks who are quick to diss digital over Vinyl have not heard a good digital setup nor have any inclination to explore the potential. For them, the clicks and pops are the only way to enjoy the music 😉

I have DAC connected to my computer and to the headphones, but not to the main system. The reason i am not using digital in the main system is because i have thousands of records to listen to, and digital format is not interesting for me at all. I am only using digital to play files from the internet to buy later on vinyl (if i like the tune).

While audiophiles are talking about quality i can say that no matter how good is your digital file it can not replace a habbit to buy original vinyl, digital is for normal people, vinyl is for collectors (we’re passionate about vinyl media).

I’ve checked extremely expensive digital set up at my friends house, he played some ’50s R’n’B with female vocals, i have many original records from the 50s. The digital is sterile, remastered, too clean and unnatural to my ears compared to the original ’50s analog recordings. Some audiophiles always blame vinyl for background noise and some clicks, i just don’t understand it - this is the nature of vinyl media.

I don’t like digitally remastered music from the ’50s, ’60s, ’70s, ’80s... i prefer the original pressing (always) which is sound natural to my ears in my High-End analog set-up, this sound was approved by musicians in the studio when it was recorded and pressed on vinyl back in the day. Remastered music approved by someone who did the job, but not by the artists, most of them are too old today or dead.

Digital is for new music recorded digitally, but i don’t listen to the new music. I love rare records from the ’70s recorded in analog.

Vintage vinyl is the key to pure analog sound (and the mastertapes). 

geoffkait  Your CD dark matter is not a CD player but an additive tweak to remove scattered light from the laser.   It could be a phenomenal product but you still need a CD player and your tweak would be expensive for my 7000 CD collection.  I'm just pointing out that great sounding CD players don't have to cost an arm and leg like high end analog.  Also, that this 1998 DVD player modified beats all those "digital sounding" (just not equal to any analog) players I heard/had from the 1980s and early 1990s (my friend and I collected about 3 or 4 dozen players from Sony, Denon, Sharp, Marantz and a dozen other names).  Anyone want an 80's Sony or Sharp?  I'll give them to you if you pay packaging and postage.  

Yes chakster, that is how l organise things. Hear the music on digital format, like it, seek out a vinyl. The only problem with that is sometimes you get a whole LP of average music for the sake of one decent song, whereas you can select on the digital files (songs) that you like. Personally l prefer to listen to the LP side by side, thats how the artist intended it.
However l guess thats part of the adverse nature of the analogue man!  

fleschler, I’m pretty sure you misunderstand what New Dark Matter is. NDM goes on the top surface of the player tray, not the CD. That’s why I challenged your player. It’s a one-time treatment for the CD, DVD, SACD, or BLU RAY player. 

Dark Vader came over tonight; we had dark chicken and listened to some rather light music in the dark. Dark prefers to listen to analog because he says the digital hurts his head. I don't mind. Dark don't matter.

Okay, I found the site listing for Dark Matter CD liquid treatment and a Dark Matter CD Tray square treatment.  I assume you are referring to the top of the tray treatment then since I thought it was for the treatment per CD.  Can you instruct me as to how and where on the top of the CD tray the squares are to be placed?  There are 10 squares.  What size are they?  If they are too large, they will cover the corners of the tray too much.  Also, if I place them in the CD tray area which holds the CD, the CD will not spin as freely.  https://www.stereophile.com/content/machina-dynamic%E2%80%99s-new-product  This ad states there are 15 squares.  Why the double stick tape if it is to be placed on top of the tray?  80% coverage is indicated as optimal.  Again, how does one cover 80% of the tray with a sticky side up as well and permit the CD to spin freely?

What does the sticky tape tabs do to reduce laser light scatter?  Does the tab have special properties?  
I use the Walker Talisman to reduce/eliminate static from CDs and LPs.  CDs show immediate improvement upon use.  
In a Steve Hoffman forum, Machina Dynamica is ridiculed as hokum.  I always thought it was an intellectual tweak parody.  

I was upset with ElizabethH highly negative comment on that forum about the Shakti sticks, I assume she is referring to the Hallographs.  The Hallographs are being used by seven of my friends and myself to GREAT advantage.  My speakers lack focus (despite their name).  For me, they focus the soundstage, widen it, enhance the imaging and depth of the soundstage.  They are my no. 1 tweak tied with Stillpoints for vibration control.  After that come Perfect Path Omega E-Mats.  

chakster, you are talking to the wrong crowd, they don't listen to Vysotsky and so cannot possibly even comprehend what you are saying. Nor do they theoretically understand that for as long as humans are humans and not enhanced humanoids digital will never sound as good as analogue because there is a conversion and certain things are lost and distorted. Problem of digital playback mentioned is another point but I consider it almost irrelevant compared to the above.

inna - Well I listen to a significant number of other poets in European languages, including much Yiddish poetry sung by great artists from the 78 rpm to LP era.

The classical instrumentalist and vocal remasterings of about 30,000 78s on my CDs sound better than I could ever achieve on my VPI 19-4/Ultracraft/Grado/Marantz 7 78 rpm front end. Heck, the last great sounding 1927-32 recordings of Eddie Lang on a CD that I heard last week were as good as it gets for those 78s unless one has mint copies and knows what e.q. was used to replicate the sound as intended.

CDs can sound FABULOUS. I know since I have an excellent analog system and a darn good CD player. I 100% disagree.  Digital sound may not be perfect, but it's sufficiently adequate for my day to day listening along with my 78s and LPs.

fleschler, the NEW DARK MATTER comes in 10 very thin plastic squares approximately 3/4 inch per side plus double-sided tape for applying the squares to the circular area of the top surface of the tray. The idea is to cover most of the area the CD sits on when you place it on the tray. For some trays the squares can be trimmed to fit. If there is a smaller circular tray for Mini discs NDM can be applied to that area, too. It’s not necessary to completely cover the tray with NDM. 75% - 80% coverage is recommended. Even less will be very audible as I was informed by a customer yesterday. The reason I say NDM is a breakthrough product is it’s the first audio product to absorb ALL scattered laser light, the red portion 25% and the invisible portion 75%. It’s the invisible portion, by far the largest portion, that is the most difficult to eliminate since it’s not amenable to absorption by colors. My previous version of Dark Matter was a spray that absorbed infrared scattered light.

I estimate the effective bandwidth of the 780 nm CD laser to be approx. 650-900 nm. All of which can get into the photodetector. The nominal laser wavelength of 780 nm is in the invisible portion of the light spectrum.

The thin plastic squares are not adhesive themselves. Thus double-sided tape is necessary to attach them to the tray. The smooth UNSTICKY side of NDM is all that’s exposed. It’s not really rocket science. 🚀

The CD does not (rpt not) spin on the CD tray per se. The CD contacts the tray only initially when you place the CD on the tray. There must be a spindle, no?

fleschler710 posts01-31-2019 1:53amWhat does the sticky tape tabs do to reduce laser light scatter?

>>>>The double sided adhesive holds the active NDM squares to the tray surface. The NDM squares is the active ingredient that absorbs/reduces background scattered laser light. The scattered light fills up the entire inside of the CD transport and the tray is a convenient place to put NDM, you know, being close to where the laser reads the data.

Does the tab have special properties?

>>>>>NDM has special properties inasmuch as it reduces ALL forms of scattered light, not only visible RED but invisible, I.E., infrared and other colors like BLUE. Thus, NDM also works for SACD, DVD, Blu Ray players. Hel-loo!

I use the Walker Talisman to reduce/eliminate static from CDs and LPs. CDs show immediate improvement upon use.

>>>>The Talisman affects the magnetic field, not the static charge.

In a Steve Hoffman forum, Machina Dynamica is ridiculed as hokum. I always thought it was an intellectual tweak parody.

>>>>Hey, what can I say? Machina Dynamica is real as a colonoscopy without anesthesia.

@inna

chakster, you are talking to the wrong crowd, they don’t listen to Vysotsky ...

Haha, i don’t listen to Visotsky, definitely not my type of music.

... and so cannot possibly even comprehend what you are saying.

Interesting, i guess anyone watched movies? This is a prime example of killer 70’s Jazz-Funk for "Serpico" movie with young Al Pacino. And another amazing recording from the 70’s is "3 Days Of the Condor" soundtrack, the original pressing on Capitol is spectacular in terms of fidelity. Make sure to skip youtube ad :) I like this type of music on LPs for home listening.  

Nor do they theoretically understand that for as long as humans are humans and not enhanced humanoids digital will never sound as good as analogue because there is a conversion and certain things are lost and distorted.

Totally agree

chakster, I didn't like your jazz funk. Vysotsky is so much better, it's not quite music, though, it's poetry accompanied by intentionally out of tune guitar.

Nor do they theoretically understand that for as long as humans are humans and not enhanced humanoids digital will never sound as good as analogue because there is a conversion and certain things are lost and distorted.

Totally agree

Keep patting yourselves on the back, guys. You are mistaking smugness for smarts.

@inna 

chakster, I didn't like your jazz funk.

then you have no taste, haha 

Vysotsky is so much better, it's not quite music, though, it's poetry accompanied by intentionally out of tune guitar.  

I am surprised, don't tell me you have russian roots too.
His poetry was pretty tought for its time and still today, my grand father wrote a book about him about 30 years ago. Anyway i hope you're kidding.  

@tomcy6 

Keep patting yourselves on the back, guys. You are mistaking smugness for smarts.  

Are you offended? 
Try to tell any serious record collector that he's better off with CDs and it will be the greatest joke. 

 

Are you offended?
Try to tell any serious record collector that he's better off with CDs and it will be the greatest joke.

No, I'm not offended and I don't tell anyone what to listen to.  I have no beef with record collectors. 

I think that people who believe  that whatever they like is the best and always will be are a little small minded though.

Well, maybe small minded is a little harsh. How about short-sighted.

It would be great if we could get past the "my format rules, yours sucks" dynamic on these forums one day.

Single minded is more like it; a lot of these folks have invested considerable resources in whatever they're advocating; if they didn't advocate for what they invested in, they would be remiss or at least "short sighted" so there's a considerable factor of self affirmation in all this screed about any audio subject. It's not rocket surgery. It's "all about me." Of course, there is the possibility that someone buys something that is obviously a piece of crap and recognizes it for such, but this ventures into the realm of honesty and credibility. which is rare in any rabid beast.

What is funny in these debates is that CD is actual for retired people only.

CD media format does not exist even for my generation anymore, and definitely not for younger generation. It reminds me those 14 y.o. kids filmed by their parents on video with Cassette Tape and Walkman player in 21st century, kids have no clue how to insert a tape. I believe young people have no clue what to do with your CDs, because they don’t have CD players and their computer does not have a CDR anymore, despite the fact that music can be streamed online even in loseless format.

When i see someone advocating for CD i wish to know the age of a person. Because i think a person is living in his own reality (in the past).

Vinyl is much older media than CD, but young generation will rather buy vinyl than CD, because they already have digital streaming of everything (music, movies etc).

Vinyl is simply the best media format by all means, still affordable top quality physical media, survided in the digital era and still rise up in price.

High Resolution digital is not a physical media, it’s just a data that can be cloned without loss in quality.

You can’t clone a vinyl, this is why it’s highly collectible.
I’m not sure how many analog vinyl records in this word available in digital, maybe 10% ? There are record that nodoby heard before, each record collector has records that you can’t even find online (never), not even a word about those records.

Yes you can buy new music in digital, you can buy some old music in digital, but you can’t buy or find obscure rare records in digital in high resolution files (only after a record collector will upload his selection somewhere in the cloud in mp3 to educate people). Another reason why vinyl is much more valuable and much more interesting for music lovers and collectors worldwide.

It's crazy that i have to write it up in analog forum where some people still fight for digital. 

I do speak a few languages. Vysotsky's ballads are timeless and are going to be sung and listened to in 500 years and later.
Tape sounds best not vinyl. But I have to listen to cds too sometimes because that music was recorded in digital. Can be listenable. Digital sounds better on vinyl than on cd, by the way.

Do you guys read TAS?  In the January 2019 issue Jonathan Valin, the hard-core analog guy at the magazine, reviewed the MSB Reference Transport and DAC.  He starts his conclusion by saying, " The guy who railed against digital is now listening happily to same."  He owns literally hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of analog gear.  The MSB gear is not cheap at around $80,000, but it is cheap compared to his analog gear.   And that's not even MSB's best DAC.   

If you're open minded at all, read the review.  If not, go on believing that you have the best sounding audio in the world.  That won't make it true though.

No need to read anything when you can hear. And if you can't hear it doesn't matter, anyway.

“It would be great if we could get past the "my format rules, yours sucks" dynamic on these forums one day.”

+1, @tomcy6. 

Geoffkait Okay, I misunderstood as I thought both sides of the square had double stick tape. It has a smooth, unsticky side which the CD rests on. Good. Also, I misspoke as to the Walker Talisman. Of course it is the magnetism problem that it alleviates as it has nothing to do with static of CD plaster or LP vinyl. I think I will try your invention. It may work. I know that eliminating stray laser light can enhance tracking ability. I’ve noticed the positive change occasionally when I use a cd edge trimmer and black sharpie (I said occasionally as I find that it is too infrequent and I really don’t want to put stress on the CD during the cutting operation).

As to colonoscopies, I have invested in MotusGi, an endoscope that does not require prep (horrible liquid consumed the day before and diet change), as it is self-irrigating and self-evacuating. It has a protective sleeve to prevent patient to patient contamination (we had an outbreak of serious bacterial infections at Cedar Sinai Med Center in Los Angeles two years ago from inadequately sterilized endoscopes). Most importantly, this FDA and EU approved new endoscope is 98% effective versus current 78% effectiveness (which may have to do with the cleanliness of the colon for the procedure).

Johnson & Johnson has a director on the BOD and I'm betting they buy the company in several years after manufacturing, marketing and distributing the endoscopes for this tiny Israeli company who have limited funding.

fleschler712 posts02-01-2019 3:44amGeoffkait Okay, I misunderstood as I thought both sides of the square had double stick tape. It has a smooth, unsticky side which the CD rests on. Good. Also, I misspoke as to the Walker Talisman. Of course it is the magnetism problem that it alleviates as it has nothing to do with static of CD plaster or LP vinyl. I think I will try your invention. It may work. I know that eliminating stray laser light can enhance tracking ability. I’ve noticed the positive change occasionally when I use a cd edge trimmer and black sharpie (I said occasionally as I find that it is too infrequent and I really don’t want to put stress on the CD during the cutting operation).

>>>>looks like you dodged a bullet. As fate would have it, you’re better off not using the disc trimmer Black Sharpie, since black around the CD edge actually hurts the sound ouch! it’s the wrong color, perhaps counter-intuitively. The correct color - at least for the red portion of the scattered light - is turquoise, cyan technically. As for the remaining 75% of the scattered light, the invisible portion, well, I guess you have to use my NDM since it’s the only audiophile product that can eliminate invisible light. Fortunately, NDM also eliminates the red portion as well.

This digital versus analog issue is one best compared to believers in a particular religion. The most prevalent religions are Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Music can be analog, digital, or a live performance. Take your pick but be advised that there are very few who renounce their religion in favor of another religion. That pretty  much covers it.

a major problem with cd playback is the fact that the laser light scatters inside the player.. Way back in the late 20th century we bought lenses that fit over the laser to focus the light, but it still bounced around inside. They worked, but...

Fast Forward to the 21st Century: Geoff Kait (Machina Dynamica) new version of laser correction is light years above all previous efforts. As I understand it, NEW Dark Matter absorbs the light bouncing inside the player. Much better than lenses, it is applied directly to the cd tray.

I found installation a bit tricky, however, upon startup, the music is so much more organic. Whereas digital can be light on its musical feet I had to turn my subs way down as there is body and weight in spades, especially down low

Presentation: It’s like the music is anchored in bedrock, with vinyl qualities few cd players can match

The recesses of the sound stage are much easier to hear into, whether it’s backup vocalists, Hammond organ, or large orchestra or chorus. Instruments like piano, upright bass, violin.... sound so much more real and in the room

I recently replaced a toslink cable with a prototype coax (price to be determined, but many times more than New Dark Matter) and my jaw dropped at the level of improvement, meaning other things like cables, and lack of quality isolation (see Machina Dynamica Springs) can screw up digital playback

In my system I would expect to need to get beefy multi-thousand dollar monoblocks to get the benefit I am hearing from NDM

@inna 

Vysotsky's ballads are timeless and are going to be sung and listened to in 500 years and later.  

Ok, so you're not kidding. I can understand it as cultural phenomenon from the past, but not as the music. I can't even stand his voice. Happily my musical background is way different. The only thing i like from the Soviet past is some Soviet Jazz which was like a wind of freedom in the '60s. In my opinion the music should make us happy at least when we're listening to it, it's about the harmony, i want to forget all the troubles in the world when i am listening to music. I want to hear well trained musicians and singers, syncopated rhythms and harmony.    

It is impossible to find anything from my records on tape, so i don't even talk about tapes here. I've heard a potentian of tapes in professional studios played on huge Studer multitrack. 

Vinyl is the best for me, tapes are impossible to find, cd sucks, streaming is for education only (i do not collect files, i collect rvinyl ecords).  

@tweak1

In case your last post isn't a joke...

....I'm glad to see someone so open minded.

I have many items I can sell as well if you are interested.  A ball of special yarn that when placed on your digital source will open up the soundstage, guaranteed!  $300.  Because it's special yarn.


I have some fine beach property near Nashville as well I'm looking to offload.....;)

So this is not about enjoying music for you guys. Listening to music is not like religion. Many people enjoy Lp, Cd, streaming, tape, live, etc. Some of you guys are more like a cult where you cut yourself off from people who are not part of the cult. But as we used to say, it’s a free country, so knock yourselves out.