Donβt be so harsh. We just thought you were a credible expert. And now you are telling us you are not and we are idiots to trust you. That is a pity, your idea seemed theoretically sound.
On a good side of it, now that we know that we should not trust you, we will not trust your statement that we are idiots.
You may be asking this question on wrong forum. I suspect that the forum inhabited by guys who invented those ambiance modes many receivers and cell phones have had for the longest time would be a better place to ask. Those guys might have figured out some mathematical way to make you feel that soundstage is narrow, wide, etc. Maybe they also have an idea how to measure it. You know those modes "stadium", "church", "jazz club", and so on. They do not base that on cable burn-in so maybe there is a way around it. It may be worth asking if they know how to measure it. Here, we can discuss Engels, excretory functions, and some other topics.
The meaning of this thread is to learn as much as we can about speaker cable burn-in. We are getting there. Progress is slow, but I am not losing hope. It has been getting more interesting over the last 20-30 posts.
Karl Marx, allegedly, did not wash himself that often.Β
Karl Marx being a communist, naturally he would like to things that can commune together, like getting along. In that sense all these - air? Unobtanium? Dark matter? Event horizons? should have a common origin therefore they should follow the same burn in principle.
Geoff: Now youβre talking my language! I wonder if thereβs a dialectic with faster break in properties than air? Unobtanium? Dark matter? Event horizons?
What does Marx have to say about their electrical properties?
I think I am going to side with the non-believers. I found out that there is a cable burn in devil behind of this bs. The devil has been able to command all the cable manufacturers and millions of audiophiles around the world to perpetuate this burn in myth. The non-believers should be admired for standing up to this evil.
Burn in is real. Ive heard it many times. And no we don't have the test equipment that can analyze not just what our ears hear but how the brain processes the information. How did this all start? Because people started hearing changes in the sound and the term burn in was coined. I can't make it more clear until we have sophisticated enough equipment that can test in the realm of our brain process. You just can't sweep all this under the rug.
Thatβs interesting. If I recall correctly Michael Green of Tuning fame sometimes bakes cables and lots of other things in the oven, controlling temperature and time, obviously. I tried it with some CDs a few years ago and think I heard an improvement. Iβll try again today at 200 F for ten minutes maybe even twenty minutes. So, I guess you never know. Nothing says lovinβ like something from the oven. πͺ πͺ πͺ
of course, I would be remiss if I didnβt point out that the home freezer (48 hrs) can provide a big percentage of real cryo treatment, not only for metals but almost anything you can think of - CDs, LPs, CD players, cones, power cords, cassettes (!), Blu Ray discs, HDMI cables, etc.
Air is definitely directional. Anyone who walked out around here today would tell you so. It did change directions from time to time, but was it windy.
Geoff: Now youβre talking my language! I wonder if thereβs a dialectic with faster break in properties than air? Unobtanium? Dark matter? Event horizons?
Certainly! Itβs always the product of a certain sonic signature. How do you think sound bars replicate all kinds of spacial effects? They just synthesize the signature of various spacial effects. You people act like the only measurements that exist are frequency response and distortion. Iβm not at all surprised such unsophisticated thinking provokes such unsophisticated questions and presumptions. The evidence already exists in the marketplace and production studios.
What's more, hearing something is hardly an explanation of the origin of a phenomenon. It's just as likely cable burn in is pure imagination.Β
If there are no instruments that can measure it, then it doesn't exist on account of the fact we have instruments than can measure the EM force half way across the universe. We certainly have instruments that measure with 100 times the resolving power of the best biological ear on the commercial market. So if you can hear it it can most definitely be measured.Β
I am burning-in cables right now with some Internet radio from far away. That helps as the signal collects more energy going under the ocean. Electric eel make wonders. I already hear much more rounded middle of the vocal mids in female singers. A few more years, and male voices will start getting shape.
Thatβs why air is such a good dielectric, silly goose. It sounds good right out of the gate. Not everything takes the same period to burn in. Everyone knows that.Β
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