Paradigm Persona series


I'm beginning to poke around and gather opinions and information about a "super speaker" to replace my aging Thiel 2.4s.  I like the idea of bass dsp room correction and I am a bit of a point source type imaging nut (thus the Thiels).  So among other choices I've been looking at the Paradigm Persona series specifically the powered 9H with room correction for the bass.  However I'm skeptical of the "lenses" i.e. pierced metal covers on the midrange and tweeter specifically because of Paradigm's claim that such screens "screen out" "out of phase" musical information.  The technology in the design seems superlative but I just can't get past the claim re out of phase information and the midrange and tweeter covers.  What could possibly be the science behind this claim?  It just seems like its putting a halloween moustache on the mona lisa given the fact that the company is generally a technology driven company.
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 wants to expand his customer base
Bingo! He tries constantly here to expand his customer base. Sell, sell, sell. I really like the idea of the cage match between he and Bo. With any kind of luck, we could be rid of two pompous blowhards. 
@mofojo  I saw it this morning, that was pretty bad. If I lived next door to Audio Doctor, I wouldn't set foot in there.
I have seen a lot worse than what I had removed today left in threads on this site. Someone must have some pretty thin skin. 
Just so you don't miss my point Audiotroy. You are, IMHO, self serving and unethical. That is why I would never set foot in your store. It doesn't matter how great you are, or how great you think you are. That pretty much sums up the other posts that I had deleted. Hopefully, you don't get posts removed here for stating an opinion. 
So ahofer heard the Personas at Audio Doctor and still found them bright. Apparently, there are no dealers in the country that can tame the brightness. Maybe Audiotroy can chime in here and blame his hearing for the perceived brightness. When I have heard the Personas, they have sounded bright to me as well. 
I listened to them toed in a bit, and if you look around you'll read a bunch of reviewers/users are setting them up facing straight ahead to avoid an overly bright presentation. Apart from the brightness, I think the Paradigms are *very* stiff competition for the much more expensive Wilson Sabrina.

Actually ahofer said in this post on this thread that they sounded bright in your shop. Of course you would say they didn't sound bright. He said they did. Plus, bright is bright and is not accurate. The Stereophile measurements show it, the measurements ahofer linked show it, and my experiences listening to it match what the measurements show. If you like that, great but don't say that it is accurate. 
@ahofer I hope you end up buying something you love and can live with for the long term. I would be wary buying something that you find a fundamental flaw with, no matter how much someone may want to sell them to you. No amount of cabling, footers, or equipment will take away a 5 db bump in frequency response. Warmth is in the lower midrange, not in the treble. That is just trying to draw attention to something else, not fixing the problem. Trust your ears, not someone else’s, and make the right choice for you.


Cmsgolf, really don’t know why you have this evangelical hatred of the Persoanas.
Audiotroy, when did I ever say that I hate the Personas? Please find it for me. I think they are a very good speaker, that is unfortunately too tipped up in the top end for me. A tipped up top end in ANY speaker is a deal breaker for me, been there and done that. At first it sounds like amazing detail and speed, but ends up in a pair of speakers sitting silent in my room because I don't want to listen. It creates listening fatigue that no tweak will fix. It may not show up in a short, controlled audition, but it will show up after a period of ownership. There are certain frequencies in the midrange and if a pair of speakers has a peak there, I don't need to hear any more. They will be checked off the list. Apparently, you and ahofer have hearing that is tuned in to different things. He thought they were bright in your shop, you said that they were absolutely not bright. In fact, two people in this thread have said the same thing about auditions in your shop. Apparently more than one person hears them differently than you, even in your shop. When people are tuned in to a certain characteristic of a system, they will always be able to tell it on any system they listen to. Whether that characteristic is bass impact, imaging, sound staging, detail, speed, brightness, etc. does not matter. Many times, one of those factors may be the most important factor to them. When you do a parlor trick to draw attention away from the inherent problem, you are not in it for the customer. Rather you are trying to pound a square peg into a round hole. Or even worse, you are trying to create a stream of revenue for the next great tweak to sell that you say will solve a problem that none of those tweaks can actually fix. Again, to ahofer, buy what your ears like and can live with over the long term. If you find that to be the Personas, great. But don't get buffaloed into it.