Many great posts.
Maybe what can be said musically, that resonates with the western world, is finite, and we are getting close to the end. Pickings are getting slim. Could the only way forward be backwards? With better tech to record and listen.
Time for the rest of the world to take the stage?
I am just glad I lived during a time when all the great stuff was created or was aval on hifi systems for the home.
50 years from now, todays teens will make a similar statement.
For me, I know my place in time and I am satisfied with it. There is sooooooo much Jazz and classical music I have yet to hear. The young folks like the current music scene, just as I did in the 60's.
IMHO! whew! Almost forgot.
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The Frogman:
***After a small discount, of course ;-)***
But of course.
After you brought Shaw to my attention, I have been doing some research. This guy seems to be thought of as being on the same level as Hubbard and Morgan.
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*****I do play music and spend a fair amout of time in the recording studio so I'm really critical of the MP3 earbud "standard". I will say that most "kids" don't know what good sound is. Whenever they hear a good two channel system they are amazed at what is possible and perhaps a new audiophile is born. Cheers!********
The choices are not limited to MP3 or 'Audiophile'. If the young folks think that's the case, that might well be the problem!
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An illogical obsession with stereo gear, has absolutely no connection with, and is no indication of, music appreciation.
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I was just responding to the 'pat ourselves on the back' thingy.
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What Fermer said is not what the present day high-end is all about. Back then, the music was great and people wanted the highest fidelity possible, to hear it. It was all about the music. The gear was just a necessity.
Now days, audiophiles buy mega systems, and then go in search an 'audiophile grade' recording to play on that system. It's all about the gear. Music is just the software.
My statement still stands. Like the founding Fathers, I find these truths to be self-evident.
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Simao:
That is an Interesting article by Blake. I would say the root cause of all the Cultural losses suffered by black people, was the civil rights movement / Great Society. In order to gain a lot, they gave up a lot. Not deliberate, or by choice, it's just the way societies work.
Where is the great R&B music? It suffered the same fate as the great black Boxers and Jazz players and Blues players and Gospel singers and Writers and Preachers / Churches /Teachers / Schools / sense of community / etc...... They were the price paid for assimilation into the American Mass.
Now they can be just as ordinary and average and uninspiring and boring and untalented as anyone else. They have achieved equality.
They have arrived!
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The best latest example: The super Bowl Half-Time show. I forgot it before it was even over. |
The WHAT has happened to music is easy to SEE / HEAR. The problem is discovering the WHY.
In the visual arts, we have gone from the Sistine Chapel.. Mona Lisa... Dutch Masters.. French Impressionist, to a Soup Can.
And now they just throw the paint at the canvas. And people go gaga and pay real money for it.
Have they forgotten how to paint? Do they have the talent to paint?
The great works are forged all the time. They even fool the experts. So the talent to do the art is there, maybe it's just the creativity and vision that is missing.
The skill set and training / education is top tier, they just aren't able to connect with humanity on a mass scale.
Many of today's music 'artist', have all become niche players. Each with their small group of followers / fans.
The decline is national. Cosby, Playhouse 90, All in the Family, etc... to, The Real Housewives of 'reality' TV!!
We are in a state of artistic decline. Music is not spared.
There is some hope. European Governments will use tax money to encourage, create and preserve their great art and artists. While here, we continue under the mistaken belief that people CAN BE, and have a RIGHT to be, whatever they WANT to be.
And everybody wants to be, The Stones or Miles or Dylan or etc..... And don't forget the GREED! Which is the root of it all.
Get Mingus while you can!! :)
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The Frogman:
*** But Rok, I think you're out there.***
Of course you are correct. It's a thankless job, but someone has to do it. Just trying to keep them moving.
BTW, compared to the prevailing attitudes in the audiogon 'General Population', so are you.
I was thinking of buying the Mosaic box set of Woody Shaw.
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Instead of just SAYING there is just as much talent as there has ever been. Show us!! Name some names. Any youtubes?
The Frogman submitted examples of what he considers good stuff.
Where are the names and / or youtubes of the current greats?
Present your evidence and this discussion will be over in a few minutes.
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Of course, Bill Parcells answered this, and similar questions years ago. |
The second video, of those most recently viewed, with violent images. Violence and music seem an odd pairing.
Pop music is, or should be aimed at the young. They should have their mind on lust errr ..... I mean Love. I guess O-10 nailed it. Reflection of the times.
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Very well written, and insightful posts from all. Just want to clear up a possible misunderstanding.
I just want to make clear that a person does not have to an Audiophile, or be of a certain ethnicity or socio-enconomic class, to be OUTRAGED, at the sight and sound of some illiterate cretin shouting obscenities and vulgarities, over a plagiarized music track.
Carry on.
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No band or group, ever sounds as 'LIVE', as those brass bands from nawlins.
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Johnny B Goode??
I prefer the Peter Tosh version.
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The FUN video clip:
IMHO: the video portion was a distraction I went to Amazon to see only records by the group. This seems to be their only CD. I don't see them sustaining a career with this type music.
The lead has a good voice, I liked the drumming, and the song may have stood on it's own, but I think the video, or the subject of the video, took away from the effect of the song.
If it was meant to be anti-war, they should look to Dylan's 'Masters Of War'. Powerful stuff audio only.
Two videos that I liked from MTV back in the day. These are just to give an example of my taste.
Robert Palmer -- Addicted to Love
Robert Palmer -- Simply Irresistible
Blondie -- Rapture
Nothing profound, but the video parts supports the tunes. The long legged babes have nothing to do with it. I ain't lying!
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IMHO:
Ben Harper: didn't do much for me. Sort of amateurish.
The Jayhawks: Not my cup of tea.
The title track of Sparklehorse was good. But the second cut was too similiar. Sort of Samey.
BUT, all was not lost, because off to the side of the screen was a link to a clip of Ella Fitzgerald scatting 'One Note Samba'. Lord I love that woman!
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This is a good exampls of why I like these music threads. I didn't know Ben Harper performed with the blind boys of alabama.
I did a little google, and found out they have a DVD out with Haper on it. Will have to get it.
Was he on the 'Gospel at Colonus' CD? I love that one. I have it on DVD also. The picture quality is not the best, but it's a 'gotta have'. I recommend both the CD and the DVD. The sound quality on the 'Colonus' CD is excellent.
Thanks for the info.
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Actually, O-10 makes a lot of sense. I ahve always said Music IS History.
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The Frogman:
Great post. That Mr Charzo is a ray of sunshine, ain't he? You took the words out of my mouth concerning the lack of logic in Mr Charzo's post. I think in his enthusiastic rush to attack me, he became confused. It seems as if he thought I was the OP.
Even though it seems as if he is in agreement with the OP. I guess he agrees with the OP, if he ain't me.
When I came on this site a few years ago , and after making a few comments, I was warned/advised, that it was not what I said, that got people upset, but how I said it. That if I wanted to 'get along' on this site I had to change my 'tone'.
I didn't understand at that time, but have since come to understand the tenor of this place. That's why I seldom venture out into the General population.
Some of these people just cannot stand the pressures of living in a democracy. Everyone claims to be 'open minded', but actually it's a very closed minded place.
Marching to a different drummer is not authorized.
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Charzo:
I do apologize for having the temerity to discuss music on an audio site.
Let me hasten back to the saftey of O-10's Jazz thread.
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Chazro:
You seem to be ACCUSING me of expressing a like, for the music I like, and not doing so for the music I don't like. DUH??? Guilty!
Your last sentence was uncalled for. I don't know you, but then I don't know anyone on this entire site. But you are a music lover, who adds meanful input to the discussions. We need as many of those as we can get on this site. Currently we are outnumbered by the cable lifters crowd.
You are also a human being that comes across as being pretty smart and articulate.
We have different musical taste. And this part, is no big thing.
when you read my posts, imagine the IMHO thingy is there, just in case I forget to type it.
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I discovered this song by accident. I was making a complilation disc for the threadmill and copied it from a CD. I had never heard it before it came thru my headphones. This was 'NEW' music to me until a few months ago.
This song grabbed me. The first few bars, and I knew I had to listen to the end.
Some music you can get up and leave in the middle of the song, and some you can't.
I submit this as an example of music that I have recently discovered and now love. The pictures compliment the music. Enhances it. Not a distraction, but the song can and does, stand on it's own.
Check it out and make comments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWIGu6-r67Y
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I liked my youtube, didn't care for the others.
Closed Minded? Stating an opinion is not being closed Minded. ATTACKING someone for their opinion, IS being Closed Minded. This site is rife with that attitude. I think the shrinks call it 'projection'.
It's so pervasive, the members don't even notice it. They only get upset when someone dares to disagree with 'their' beliefs.
Most of this so-called new stuff submitted, is just soundtrack music for the video portion. The video is just as, or even more important than the music. They cannot be seperated. Crank it up and go to another room and listen. There is nothing there.
Narcissism? That only applies to the rock bands submitted. I didn't sense any effort to connect with the audience. It was all about themselves. Totally self absorbed.
The Stones were the Stones and the Beatles were the Beatles for a reason. And these unknowns are unknown for a reason. I think they will be NEW for a long time.
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***** I haven't even touched the surface and I dare say no one here has heard anywhere near the full gamut of what's been done in the past.********
Very true, and another reason some people don't rush to embrace NEW music. They have not heard nor discovered all of the old yet. I am discovering Jazz greats from the 50-70's on a regular basis just from recommendations made on the Jazz Thread.
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The Frogman:
Now Zeppelin does bring back memories. One of the first Rock bands to catch my ear. Germany early 70s. 'Whole Lotta Love' was a favorite of mine. My little Sansui Receiver could barely keep up.
That music brings back the times and the people. Esp the girls. :) The stereo equipment as well. Music is History.
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I was in Hanau, Germany from 1968 - 1972.
I was young, single, drove a 1970 MB 280SE, Gas was 25 cents a gallon, the autobahns were empty save the military, LPs were $2.50, audio clubs were everywhere and there was live music in the clubs every weekend.
Don't get no better than that!
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I was anxious to see what all the other posters considered to be good music. I wanted to see if there was any common ground to engage in a discussion of muisic.
I don't see any common ground. The list submitted by Ohnwy61 just confirms it even more. This is not a criticism just the truth. I am sure most of you would find my taste equally incomprehensible.
Other than Amy Winehouse, I have to confess, I have never even heard of these people, let alone, heard them. And to think that this is the best of the best? Wow! I will conclude that I am out of touch.
But, since we have LPs and CDs, we can all listen to the stuff we like. Past or present.
Now that Tiger has finished hitting the ball all over Pennsylvania, I think I will try to chill with a little grape and Bach.
He is old school, like me. :) Bach, you know, that old German dude. No, No, he didn't play with the Stones.
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The Frogman:
I have been told to reply, "The best wines from the Fatherland, and therefore, the Welt" are white.
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A much better list. Not mine, but I like it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4FC00ueGt0 |
****So to the haters: the world will grow new a day at a time,and no one will likely care about your experience.****
The feeling is mutual.
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