Jazz for aficionados

Calvinj-

the (4) cornerstones of Jazz are from the year 1959;


Miles Davis- Kind of Blue-
Charles Mingus- Ah Um
Ornette Coleman- The shape of Jazz to come
Dave Brubeck- Time Out

Honorable mention- John Coltrane "Giant Steps".
these discs will get you started in the right Jazz direction.

Just finally caught up on reading the last week and a half of this thread.  Wow.  Most of what I would add has already been said by Frogman, Schubert, and Alexatpos.   

To Rok - the differences here are NOT "irreconcilable."  The reason you think they are is that you are stubbornly resistant to educating yourself more on the subject.  I think it is very important to reiterate that NO ONE is criticizing your listening choices, or saying you are wrong about what you like listening to.  What is objected to is when you attempt to argue about something you clearly have no idea about as if you did, and your refusal to improve your state of ignorance, which is a real shame in someone who loves it like you clearly do.  It is simply not possible to argue effectively about something that you do not really know about, and this is painfully obvious to everyone who does know about the subject in question.   Everyone who has educated themselves more about music is telling you that their enjoyment of listening has been increased.  Not one single person has said that they regret learning more, or that it did not increase their enjoyment.   Don't you think, then, that there might be something to it?  Frogman has pointed out that all of your heroes, Wynton, etc., most certainly agree that the visceral experience is only a part of the whole.  So why are you so resistant to the idea?  

For some reason, when checking in on this thread, I'm always (or most always anyway) reminded about the Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby story. :-)

Learsfool, Rok has contributed more to this thread than you, Frogman, and Schubert combined; and we could do without your twice a year negative comments.

Frogman, this thread was going just fine until you changed it from a musical thread to a political thread; that ran all the best jazz contributors away. While there were not that many of them in the first place, they made good regular contributions; but no way were they going to waste their time and knowledge in a political fight.

Learsfool, I grew up with professional jazz musicians from childhood, I hung-out with jazz musicians, one of my friends was a professional jazz musician who could improvise like you wouldn't believe; none of them ever talked music to me; what for? I'm not a musician. When my friend, the professional jazz musician lived with me; our conversations were about his life as a professional jazz musician, or "Where can you get a good bowl of chili"

My best friend's brother went to "Julee-ard", and when he practiced on the piano, the next door neighbor came over to watch, after he finished, the neighbor could repeat everything he practiced. Brother went on to get his degree from "Julee-ard", and became a music teacher, while the neighbor became a professional jazz musician who I saw perform frequently, he was hot. The last time my friend heard from his brother, he was somewhere in Spain (hard to locate). If you want to be financially successful, get a degree from "Julee-ard"; but if you want to be a jazz musician, just go out and do it; either you got it or you don't.

Miles Davis did not graduate from "Julee-ard", he attended for a hot minute until he found Charles "Yardbird" Parker. When Jazz meets classical, it's real light weight; while it can be good music; it's not deep in the groove from which it originated.

Classical people are down right funny when they speak of "jazz improvisation"; they say so many things that they didn't know they said.




Enjoy the music.