Jazz for aficionados

In regard to the question, "Why do some people start new threads for jazz questions?" Honestly, I don't know, but I can speculate in regard to some possibilities.

This might be the longest thread in the history of "Audiogon"; it's so big that people are intimidated when they try and get a feel for what it's about. That sounds like a very good reason to me. If they have a question, and start a thread asking the question they want answered, they are guaranteed of getting responses.

If you notice, this thread is comprised of regulars who have been on this thread since it's beginning on 02-24-2013. Occasionally we'll pick up a knowledgeable aficionado, and lose him after a few pages of quarrels that he has no interest in, and if they continue; he's gone for good.

Apparently Frogman knows how to get under my skin, and get a stupid argument going, because he does it quite frequently, and says "Who me?"

I stated that Milt Jackson is the undisputed king of the jazz vibraphone, actually hoping to open a discussion and ward off any serious debate; especially since Rok had already stated  that Milt Jackson was the king.

As it happened, Frogman was the first responder, and there is nothing Frogman likes better than a good argument, and he wont quit with me until he gets one.

So much for that; back to a more serious question that Frogman claims to have the answer to "Why aren't there more posters on this thread?"

If you go through the music threads that date for a year, you will see very few relating to jazz, and even the one's you find will be very specific, and it will be obvious why they asked the question on a new thread, as opposed to coming here. That's my conclusion, if anyone has anything else, please share it.


Enjoy the music.

 

Alex, thanks for keeping things light and for bringing some humor to the proceedings here.  Your clip asks an interesting question.  I think the answer is best left for experts in a different field.  Personally, I don't understand why measured and polite disagreement about one aspect of Jazz needs to go into the realm where a person feels that the disagreement is meant to be "destructive" of him.  The psychology of all this is best left for others; but, for me, and to the extent that there can be an air of "friendship" on an Internet forum, it is a little sad.  

O-10, you are so far off base with your assesments of my motivations that it's probably hopeless as it has been in the past when things have come to a place like this.  I continue to feel that this disagreement could be the stuff of really great discussion, but again, in spite of the fact that it was you who opened the door and welcomed in disagreement, you are not willing to consider any disagreement and drag things down into the mud.  Please read over my comments again if you care; there are NO hidden meanings in any of them.  Why you insist on making that assumption, well......best to keep the focus on the music.  

The disagreement has to do with the acknowledgment (or not) of the idea that jazz has been, is and always will be evolving.  If we acknowledge that then there is, not only no reason to disagree, but no need to keep musical matters in the shallow range of simply who is best, who is "King", etc.. Can anyone possibly think that there will be agreement on that?  Not only is there no chance of agreement, it keeps the discussion away from the juicy stuff (like the notion that "Bird could have played anything that Coltrane did").  

Some interesting (for me) dot connection: 

Acman3, in the same spirit that Alex alluded to in his most recent contribution, posted some very funny clips of Gene Dancing Machine from the old "Gong Show" recently.  As I'm sure others noticed also, the house band backing up Gene sounded great; especially the trumpet player who was playing some really good bebop solos.  I set out to find out who that player was.  It was Bob Findley, one of two legendary LA jazz/studio trumpet playing brothers (the other is the great Chuck Findley).  Finding this out brought to mind a record that he plays on that I like very much.  Alex, I have always loved Vince Guaraldi.  Great clips and your description of his style is right on.  I love the unabashed feel good, relaxed attitude in his playing; no hint of pretense or self importance.  No surprise that his music for the "Peanuts" series is probably his best known work.  The record that I refer to is unfortunately not available on YouTube; it is David Frishberg's aptly titled (for the moment) "Getting Some Fun Out Of Life".   In a somewhat different style, Frishberg has a very similar attitude in his playing (and singing) which made me think of your Guaraldi clips.  Fortunately, other things available on YouTube:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EBbt3C1Y_mQ

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N7hxDaJhnYs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aNBj8xP83_s

Acman, I've never heard this one; it's simplicity personified, "We don't need no more trouble". The lyrics and the music make you want to hang out on the beach under a coconut tree with some loving company.


Enjoy the music.

Frogman, if Trane were alive today, he wouldn't even back up your statement in regard to "Bird". I'm beginning to wander if you can really hear jazz, because apparently you haven't heard "Bird".

Have you read Miles Bio? Do you have any idea why "Bird" is idolized over Trane? Do you have any idea why "all" the jazz giants idolize "Bird"?

If Trane himself would not back up any of your statements where you place him over "Bird", then you must be lost in the woods.