Alex, thanks for keeping things light and for bringing some humor to the proceedings here. Your clip asks an interesting question. I think the answer is best left for experts in a different field. Personally, I don't understand why measured and polite disagreement about one aspect of Jazz needs to go into the realm where a person feels that the disagreement is meant to be "destructive" of him. The psychology of all this is best left for others; but, for me, and to the extent that there can be an air of "friendship" on an Internet forum, it is a little sad.
O-10, you are so far off base with your assesments of my motivations that it's probably hopeless as it has been in the past when things have come to a place like this. I continue to feel that this disagreement could be the stuff of really great discussion, but again, in spite of the fact that it was you who opened the door and welcomed in disagreement, you are not willing to consider any disagreement and drag things down into the mud. Please read over my comments again if you care; there are NO hidden meanings in any of them. Why you insist on making that assumption, well......best to keep the focus on the music.
The disagreement has to do with the acknowledgment (or not) of the idea that jazz has been, is and always will be evolving. If we acknowledge that then there is, not only no reason to disagree, but no need to keep musical matters in the shallow range of simply who is best, who is "King", etc.. Can anyone possibly think that there will be agreement on that? Not only is there no chance of agreement, it keeps the discussion away from the juicy stuff (like the notion that "Bird could have played anything that Coltrane did").
Some interesting (for me) dot connection:
Acman3, in the same spirit that Alex alluded to in his most recent contribution, posted some very funny clips of Gene Dancing Machine from the old "Gong Show" recently. As I'm sure others noticed also, the house band backing up Gene sounded great; especially the trumpet player who was playing some really good bebop solos. I set out to find out who that player was. It was Bob Findley, one of two legendary LA jazz/studio trumpet playing brothers (the other is the great Chuck Findley). Finding this out brought to mind a record that he plays on that I like very much. Alex, I have always loved Vince Guaraldi. Great clips and your description of his style is right on. I love the unabashed feel good, relaxed attitude in his playing; no hint of pretense or self importance. No surprise that his music for the "Peanuts" series is probably his best known work. The record that I refer to is unfortunately not available on YouTube; it is David Frishberg's aptly titled (for the moment) "Getting Some Fun Out Of Life". In a somewhat different style, Frishberg has a very similar attitude in his playing (and singing) which made me think of your Guaraldi clips. Fortunately, other things available on YouTube:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EBbt3C1Y_mQ
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N7hxDaJhnYs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aNBj8xP83_s
O-10, you are so far off base with your assesments of my motivations that it's probably hopeless as it has been in the past when things have come to a place like this. I continue to feel that this disagreement could be the stuff of really great discussion, but again, in spite of the fact that it was you who opened the door and welcomed in disagreement, you are not willing to consider any disagreement and drag things down into the mud. Please read over my comments again if you care; there are NO hidden meanings in any of them. Why you insist on making that assumption, well......best to keep the focus on the music.
The disagreement has to do with the acknowledgment (or not) of the idea that jazz has been, is and always will be evolving. If we acknowledge that then there is, not only no reason to disagree, but no need to keep musical matters in the shallow range of simply who is best, who is "King", etc.. Can anyone possibly think that there will be agreement on that? Not only is there no chance of agreement, it keeps the discussion away from the juicy stuff (like the notion that "Bird could have played anything that Coltrane did").
Some interesting (for me) dot connection:
Acman3, in the same spirit that Alex alluded to in his most recent contribution, posted some very funny clips of Gene Dancing Machine from the old "Gong Show" recently. As I'm sure others noticed also, the house band backing up Gene sounded great; especially the trumpet player who was playing some really good bebop solos. I set out to find out who that player was. It was Bob Findley, one of two legendary LA jazz/studio trumpet playing brothers (the other is the great Chuck Findley). Finding this out brought to mind a record that he plays on that I like very much. Alex, I have always loved Vince Guaraldi. Great clips and your description of his style is right on. I love the unabashed feel good, relaxed attitude in his playing; no hint of pretense or self importance. No surprise that his music for the "Peanuts" series is probably his best known work. The record that I refer to is unfortunately not available on YouTube; it is David Frishberg's aptly titled (for the moment) "Getting Some Fun Out Of Life". In a somewhat different style, Frishberg has a very similar attitude in his playing (and singing) which made me think of your Guaraldi clips. Fortunately, other things available on YouTube:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EBbt3C1Y_mQ
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N7hxDaJhnYs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aNBj8xP83_s