Many of us are in the Most camp. You can't fix broken, but many chase their tails trying. I'm making a point and not saying that the speakers are broken. Not by any means. Many folks value what they do. Many of us have the same issues of coherency and being too bright. This is why they are successful.
I've heard the same speaker(9H) in multiple sets ups, with top gear of different companies of both SS and tube and come away with the same issues for my ears. I'm blessed that I have friends I can go to stores with or I'd never physically be able to, but I do when I feel up to it.
If you need such specific details to make something listenable, then the basic concept it broken IMHO. I've heard Rockport Lyra's in a few systems over the last year. totally different size rooms. One was a poor set up and another had way too many things going on. The cabling was inexpensive to uber expensive. One had a great reel set up (oh man....just oh man) and one was vinyl. One had vinyl, digital and a rebuilt Studer Revox. That was a holy cow system.
The bottom line is that the speakers had the exact same basic sound. The base sound was outstanding in so many ways and the differences went from there. I agree that most dealers show rooms are not the best sounding. many reasons for this and some dedicated rooms have too much dampening as they are trying to sell the stuff, lol. I have a local high end dealer who has a terrible 50hz vibration and it hurts the sound terribly, but his Wilson Alexa mk2's sound like any other Alexa I've heard in other's homes or stores.
Many folks love the Paradigm's, but honestly, they are one of the most polarizing speakers on the market. The threads on any board point that out and I even own a pair of older Paradigm's, lol.
I've heard the same speaker(9H) in multiple sets ups, with top gear of different companies of both SS and tube and come away with the same issues for my ears. I'm blessed that I have friends I can go to stores with or I'd never physically be able to, but I do when I feel up to it.
If you need such specific details to make something listenable, then the basic concept it broken IMHO. I've heard Rockport Lyra's in a few systems over the last year. totally different size rooms. One was a poor set up and another had way too many things going on. The cabling was inexpensive to uber expensive. One had a great reel set up (oh man....just oh man) and one was vinyl. One had vinyl, digital and a rebuilt Studer Revox. That was a holy cow system.
The bottom line is that the speakers had the exact same basic sound. The base sound was outstanding in so many ways and the differences went from there. I agree that most dealers show rooms are not the best sounding. many reasons for this and some dedicated rooms have too much dampening as they are trying to sell the stuff, lol. I have a local high end dealer who has a terrible 50hz vibration and it hurts the sound terribly, but his Wilson Alexa mk2's sound like any other Alexa I've heard in other's homes or stores.
Many folks love the Paradigm's, but honestly, they are one of the most polarizing speakers on the market. The threads on any board point that out and I even own a pair of older Paradigm's, lol.