Jack - I second Dick Hardesty. When Havens & Hardesty was a hi fi dealer, he did justice to both Thiel and Vandersteen - we were both pleased. He visited Thiel's factory a couple of times and we got along very nicely. He preferred Vandersteen saying that the Vans were more musical on more recordings more often than Thiels. But he also zeroed in on what Thiel was doing, how we were approaching our work. Gone too soon.