Brinkmann Bardo

Wjsmax, I agree with your assessment of the potential of the Artemis table. This is the first bit of fresh thinking re belt drive to have hit the market in a long time, and besides being "fresh", it is also "good" thinking about how to reduce "belt creep". (You can use a tape as a substitute for most any belt, but its how they arrange the drive system that is so innovative.) It has received very little attention from the audio press, probably because it is not flashy. No chrome, no smoked acrylic, no revolving balls of metal. Please let us know what you think of it.

Nevertheless, I don't see how you can dump on the Bardo unless you've heard that one as well.

Downunder: "Hiho Chill mate"

Fair enough. Let's get back to talking about turntables and other fun stuff.

I am sure the P3 is wonderful as I have owned several Pioneer models before. And one thing I noticed is that Pioneer bearings are always excellent quality, especially their Stable Hanging Rotor (SHR) motors, compare to many competing designs (Sony's BSL motors uses plastic to hold the bearing well!!). Not to mention very reliable electronically. Their PL-L1000 linear tracking table is one clever design, same motor in their higher models, but the whole thing is mounted on a piece of suspended plastic!! I always thought if they could go for the whole nine yard and mount that onto something more solid and substantial, it could be a killer. That's why I gutted the motor out and made a plinth for it. It was then I realized many quality inexpensive direct-drive turntables with great motors and potentials being stifled by their awful plastic plinth and flimsy tonearms. I guess they reserved all that for their flagship products like the P3, so I have no doubt the P3 is an amazing product and it looks super cool, especially when in Robocop nude.
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Wow...there's some serious engineering in that P3.
Downunder, awesome tt ... can't be too many of them here in Oz.
Wjsamx, thanks for your advice. I too am fascinated by the Artemis tt.

thanks Lespier. I believe I had the only one til this week when my mate Jaspert took delivery of one.

The P3, Lewm's Kenwood LO7D and other dd's prove that Brinkman are on the right track to ressurect the technology.

Another mate of mine bought the Monaco DD table and sold his Basis Debut as it was getting no play.

I think the tonearm match with these tables is probably a very important factor, if not the most important factor when attempting to compare them. If you hear the Brinkmann tables with the brinkmann tonearm, you may walk away feeling unimpressed (as I did when auditioning the Balance). With the Graham Phantom, the results were entirely different. The Artemis labs SA1 can be auditioned with the arm for the table. I would imagine that the same table with the Reference tonearm will be another beast alltogether.