The Better My System Gets....


....the less live music shows I seem to be attending. I live in the NY Metro area and used to go to live shows all the time. But I'm doing it much less frequently these days and think two things are at work. First, I've been upgrading my system over the past two years and am now getting some pretty serious sound right here in my living room. Second, I'm finding that unless the venue and the sound crew are optimal, I'm hearing some pretty bad sound at a lot of live shows. I've sworn off large stadium-like venues for years now because the music is really secondary to the spectacle and chances are the sound is going to be really bad. But even smaller venues these days tend to get it wrong more often than right. Combine this with crowds that are often noisy (Does anybody go to hear the music anymore? Why do people insist on trying to talk over the music? Aren't there better places to mix and mingle?) packed rooms without seats, expensive drinks, ETC and I find myself more inclined to listening at home rather than out. We have some small local venues that do a pretty good job and the crowd is older and more respectful of the musicians so this can be viable alternative to listening at home. And, of course, classical and chamber music presented live in a proper room is still superior to what I can reproduce at home and so I go to quite a few of these performances but more and more I'm passing on a lot of shows because I often get more out of cranking up my home system that going out to hear live music performed in less than ideal conditions. Anyone else experiencing the same thing?
dodgealum
I would like to suggest that maybe the venues you choose are not the ones for listening. Most folk clubs (think original accoustic music written and performed by the songwriter) are considered listening rooms. For examples check out unclecalvins.org, a coffee house in Dallas since 1982 which has shows most Fridays. OK I am one of the sound guys there. Most venues like this cater to the singer songwriter who are usually artists who tour nationally. Also look up the Kerrville Folk Festival which has been ongoing since 1972. Go to Calvins website and link to the artists for examples of their music. You might not like them all, but the venues they play have patrons who actually listen to the music. Find these type of venues in your area. Good luck and happy listening.

Woody
Woody,

I was about to post something similar.

From smallest to largest:

I try to get to McCabe's (150 seats) in Santa Monica often - it's always
rewarding.

Vibrato (300? capacity restaurant) is a good jazz club in Bel-Air when it's not
too crowded.

Canyon Club (1300) in the SF Valley can validate either the pro or con side of
this debate, depending on the band that's performing and its audience.

The Greek Theater and Hollywood Bowl (a few thousand outdoor seats) are
usually fun and more than decent sounding, but local noise ordinances may
advesrsely impact certain (i.e. rock) acts.

Staples Center (app 20,000 seat arena) was unexpectedly good sounding for
Fleetwood Mac - my first arena show in more than a decade - but the
tambourine beating Stevie Nicks fans were occassionally distracting.

Overall, I'd say that I'm enjoying live shows as much as I ever have.

Marty

I've also recently attended a couple of pipe organ recitals at local and foreign
churches/cathedrals - the crowds are rarely a problem at these "shows" ;-)
Some of my best and worst recent experiences have been at the Trocadero in Philadelphia. This ia a tiny deco-style standing-room-only club dating to turn of the century, with prior lives as a strip joint and a Chinese theater. It now hosts small acts-- many on the rebound of second or third acts-- like PJ Harvey, Ian Hunter, Mercury Rev, X, NY Dolls, Bonnie Prince Billy. Problem is you have to wade through at least two awful warm-up bands before the headliner begins around 11PM-- by which time the crowd has winnowed down to a hundred or so. I can't imagine what it must feel like for these once-popular bands to be drawing such thin crowds on the live circuit. Often these bands have matured both as artists and musicians, and the intimacy of the performance is certainly a treat. Problem is these days the dawgs get tired and it's a long drive home to the burbs at a quarter past bedtime.
Dgarretson,

I've been one of the opening acts at the Troc. No arguments here with any of your characterizations! :-)
(Big Sigh)....I'm afraid that I'm getting old. My system sounds better than most live indoor events. I still seek out the live outdoor events which can sound very good. I went to all the big rock shows when I was younger, Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Who etc. Some of the smaller rock shows in classic theaters can also sound good. My biggest beef is the lack of real players. Give me your two guitars, drums, bass and lead singer.