ozzy 10-18-2016 4:19pm
The backbone conductor is silver coated copper.
Could you please tell me what a "backbone conductor" is? Thx.
Cerious Technologies NEW Graphene Cables
Now, this is not a advertisement, just a posting sharing my experience on some well made great sounding cables at a very reasonable price. Besides, I don't think Cerious Technologies is set up for a big influx of cable orders.
But, if you get the chance to try these cables, please do.
I have been interested in the newer cables coming out that are using Graphene as a conductor. SR cables seemed interesting, but I always hated the way there cables had all those extra wires (with the active shields and such). I then noticed an ad early in I think November or December from Cerious Technologies for Graphene cables. I investigated how the cables were assembled and it seemed like quite a laborious process.
I ordered (with a 30 day money back guarantee) the balanced Graphene interconnects, and boy did they impress me. Such depth, soundstage, realism, frequency smoothness, effortless sound. I was truly impressed! I now have a complete loom of the Cerious Technologies Graphene cables. That is; interconnects, speaker cables, digital cables and power cords.
I ended up selling all of my other cables and to those of you who have read my postings know that cables have always been my curiosity.
So, as I began this post, let me again iterate, I have no alliance to the company, my posting is for those of you looking for an great alternate high quality Graphene made cable without spending a fortune.
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Bob from Cerious...We have an OEM version of an Oyaide plug made for us in Japan. It is the only way we can afford to sell them for what we do. Using a "true" Oyaide plug would more than double what we can sell them to customers for and we have worked closely with our supplier to get them to be a sonic wash for much less money. Oyaide makes a great connector but it is one we cannot afford to use to keep anything close to our price point... |
I have a pdf Bob sent me once of the making of a GE speaker cable, I posted it here: http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?19311-The-Making-Of-A-Cerious-Technologies-Graphene-Ext... Basically its a silver/copper 8 gauge proprietary alloy bundled with carbon fiber that's been impregnated with graphene and liquid ceramic. There's more so check it out it's an interesting read with photos. |
It would appear rather unlikely that the conductors are (only) Graphene inasmuch as Graphene is by definition one atom thickness. Didn’t the mfgr indicate the backbone is copper with Graphene wrapped around the backbone. One can’t help wonder how the heck you handle one atom thickness Graphene, with teeny tiny tweezers? |
I need to generate a new systems page for my new room that now has 3 power cords and one more on the way, and Bob's speaker cables as well. I have prodigious amounts of bass in this new room and certainly Bob's cables are contributing. I did notice that they respond to upstream cable changes very well. I switched out some Pure Note IC's for some hybrid ribbon Audio Magic IC's and the top end came through better with these but so did the bass. It also helps that I put in an SR UEF/graphene duplex next to the Cardas AG and Furutech GTX-gold units. You can really change the sound among these 3 differences in metallurgy. The fit and finish of Bob's cables is primo and I ordered another power cable. I am waiting for some more break-in and may order a 5th power cable soon after. |
I agree with csmgolf's comment regarding the addition of all the interconnects (etc.) at the same time. With that said, if you are the type of person that wants to hear the sonic's of each individual interconnect (etc.), are patient, and have the time, then add one at a time. If I remember correctly, you are looking at 50 hours for full break-in time, but the GE products really do sound very good right out of the box. I think the differences you will hear are dependent on your individual system and the quality of the interconnects (etc.) you are replacing. In my personal case I liked what I heard as soon as I replaced the speaker cables, and power cable. The digital cable and the RCA interconnect sounded as good, but not necessarily better than what I was using however the GE products were a much lower cost thus a real money saver. |
I got the $5-700 price from the Cerious Technologies price page for a pair of IC’s, and the $4000 number from what I think Lance paid for some Morrow cables. Maybe I'm missing something? Either way, if one changes cables and the only difference they can tell is a sense that the tonal balance is better, than that's a pretty minor difference that could be explained by various biases or even moving one's listening position. And if one is willing to wait 6 weeks for cables, then that just might be a sucker. YMMV. And to the continued passive aggressive behaviour regarding my gear, hey, whatever floats your boat. The Nad is just for fooling around with, as is 3 pairs of other bookshelf speakers I have, and gear from Pioneer and Harman. My main rig has Parasound Halo gear, the P7 and A21 amp. Ascend Sierra 2 speakers and a Nad C565BEE for a disk spinner. And cables from Monster, Audioquest, Wireworld and Morrow. Not top of the heap by any stretch, but I have a very nice enjoyable sound that give me all of the "tonal balance(LOL)" that I need. |
These are the prices from page 4 of this thread. I'm sure 213runnin has read it since he's posting here. But it would be nice if Bob can concur if these are still current Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme PC/ 5 ft - $299 Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme 1M Interconnect - $299 Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme Speaker cables 8’ set - $649 Cerious Technologies Graphene Extreme Digital 1/0 cable 1M - $199 |
So here is what I don't understand, where is he getting his prices? Pretty sure the GE speaker cables are like $650 for 8 ft and interconnects are like $2-300 for 1M. Sounds like value priced cables to me not $5-700 for entry level or $4000. And @maplegrovemusic 2what's wrong with folks describing what they hear even if it is more bass? Try listening before you denigrate peoples personal opinions. |
" There's a sucker born every minute, but fanboy reviews should definitely be taken with a grain of salt." Sounds like a troll to me!! If these cables are as good as the high $$$ HF cables at a fraction of the price then what results is a following with enthusiasm. Nothing wrong with that, hey troll? i am confused on how to place an order for some 10' speaker cables. Takes 6 weeks to make? |
I wonder about the added bass using these cables . Described as extra bass . Almost too much that adjustments were needed . Is there no end to bass ? Will the version 2 of this cable when it comes out have even more bass added ? Can one ever have too much bass ? Lopsided presentation ? Jmcrgrogan . pick on someone your own size . Poor fellow only has modest priced gear . You are definitely above us !! |
Wow, that's strong language! Anyone who challenges new owner's impressions of tonal balance is a troll? That's kind of what is called protesting too loudly, which makes me wonder just who these fanboys are. Anyway, jmc, I've got a few different pieces besides the Nad and the bookshelf speakers and currently own cables from 5 or 6 different manufacturers, read more of my previous posts to get an idea. That's why I smile up my sleeve when I hear about tonal balance and chills up one's back. A cable better put chills up your leg too for $4000! |
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Hi lancelock, You're the guy who felt that the tonal balance was "better" when comparing two cables using hearing memory/sighted bias, and found that the new cables were better than the old ones, surprise surprise! There's a sucker born every minute, but fanboy reviews should definitely be taken with a grain of salt. Keep those old cables around, in about 3 months you may be surprised how good they sound. |
I always take new owners comments with a grain of salt, as purchase bias and sighted bias can have much to say regarding their impressions. It looks like we have 3 or 4 posters in this thread driving the direction and pumping up the hype, but fanboy advice is just that. It's hard to say by reading just how good or mediocre these cables are. A cable's main job is to do no harm, but reading that these cables can do the following, "the tonal balance is more correct"(according to an above poster) just makes me shake my head. More correct according to what, your other system? Your friend's $100,000 system? Because if you're basing it off your non Cerious Technologies cable sound, then you've got no base line to compare, and you're going by hearing memory and your own biases. One can not conclude anything from your results except that your purchase bias may be at play. And these Cerious Technologies are anything but cheap. $5-700 for the entry level lengths, to well over $1000. Most people don't spend that on their speakers! Spending it on cables when you've got entry level gear is pointless, you will get no improvements. |
@csmgolf Definitely try the power cables they are what got me first hooked on Bob's cables. I has tried various pc's and was just not a believer until I got my first Nano Sig pc and it blew me away and totally changed my thoughts on power cords. Still running the Nano sig power cables in my system and I can imagine how good the GE's are, I have GE everything else. |
I started off a couple of months ago buying a pair of GE interconnects between my source and preamp. I liked them well enough that I decided to try the speaker cables as well. Most recently, I bought another set of interconnects to go between my pre amp and amps. I find the GE cables to be tonally balanced, detailed without etch, harmonically complete, and to have excellent timing. All of these allow the spatial cues to come through and position instruments within the stage while allowing space between them. I have tried a large number of cables in this price range and higher. Some of them have been 5x as much. All of them have done one or more things very well. None of them have been as complete as the Cerious GE cables IMO. My guess is that to better them, be prepared to spend a lot of money. On top of that, Bob has been a real pleasure to work with. I guess the power cables are next in line. |
So I have an extra Cerious GE 1m digital RCA cable, my reclocking device died on me so running my streamer straight into my DAC. I was going to post an ad but before I do if someone here wants it shoot me a pvt message and we can work out a fair deal. If you want a non-working Wyred4Sound Remedy reclocker free as well let me know its just taking up space in my closet. |
Another new customer chiming in. I just ordered a custom length GE interconnect. My current cables are mostly from Morrow at level 4. Based on the many replies here I'm expecting a nice lift in sound quality. If this goes well I will likely swap out the rest. I'm picking up clues that the speaker cable may be the best of the bunch. Is anyone using the GE cables as phono cables? |