Ozzy ...
Just the opposite of geoffkait ... :o)
SR Level III power cords. (Highly recommended)
Von Gaylord "Legend" IC's and speaker cables. (Highly recommended.)
Frank |
Thanks for sharing the type of cabling that you are using.
ozzy |
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Ozzy,
In the office system: All Audience power chords, 1- Powerchord SEi and 1- AU 24SEi MP, aR2p power conditioner, Audience OHNO interconnect, an Office Depot (I know a bottleneck) powerstrip and an Audio quest diamond usb to the Dac.
Rc
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Easy to hear improvement on my cables which are terminated wth Shadow rca's Tom |
Frank,
I had not thought of that. The logic is sound. I will do that once I am done with the rest of the main system then treat the same audio grade duplex in the office system as well as the standard builder grade duplex that the TVs are plugged into. That ought to be a fun experiment. I will let you know the results when I get to it.
Thanks,
rc |
I was wondering what type of cables you guys are using with the TC compound?
My cabling loom is the new top of the line Cerious Technologies Matrix cables (power, interconnects and speaker cables). These use the Shadow XLR's and WBT speaker connections.
Perhaps with lesser cabling adding some TC material on the ends would make for a better conductor?
ozzy |
I am glad TC works for you with your audio listening. that is all that is important
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rc ...
Thanks for the suggestion of treating the power conditioner plugs. I just knew I had forgotten something. :o)
Did you just treat the plugs, or did you treat the internal wires as well?
Frank |
@resolution1 Yes I have, and I get the point you are making. I am elated
that you are enjoying my product, and thank you for your continued support and contribution!
T minus 5 days till a couple of lift offs.
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oregonpapa, theaudiotweak, nonoise,
No extortion. I was asked by Tim to try his product. Perhaps the "blend" I received was faulty. It did come out of the syringe as a thick tooth paste.
But, you betcha I am not going to lay down $300 more to try another batch of goop. Isn’t that the definition of insanity?
But, like I said, I WOULD PAY for it gladly if it was better than the first sample or I would return it immediately if it was again no good. I’m not looking for any freebie...
I have always been a tweaker and have posted about items many times in the Audiogon forum.
Frank, Tom, and you others my audio system is posted on Audiogon for all to see. I have no reason other than to let others know that this product should be tried first.
$300 bucks is not that much to pay for a product that provides that "awesome" improvement. But, since I tried it already I would need to "TRY" it again, hopefully to join the bandwagon.
ozzy |
Tim,
I installed an audio grade duplex outlet, without any TC treatment (cost $80.00), about 6 months ago and it was a nice upgrade in musical resolution. However, after treating the Audience aRP2-TO power conditioner plugs last week with TC and just plugging it back in, it was an upgrade equal to those two upgrades together.
So far so good!
rc |
Look at the photos you can see where the graphene was added on the sides and on some screws..there are other safe places it could be applied for even greater resolution.
One of the first things I applied the product was on the end caps of standard glass fuses. Made something really good out of nothing.
This product is of great value and is more than just a tool. Tom |
I decided to try the TC on my old EAR 324 phono pre-amp because I knew that I would gain more bass and more colorful, detailed mids using TC as it did everywhere else.
The problem I had with the EAR 324 was an impedance mismatch (too high or too low settings at 150 ohms and 400 ohms when I needed 220 ohms). With the middle gain setting and the 400 ohm setting,
I was shocked to hear a balanced, open, full bodied rich sound. Maybe my SUT and tube phono stage isn’t as clean/clear sounding as the 324. Now I’m using the 324 again due to TC adding what was not sounding correct in the equipment (open but too tonally thin vs, tonally rich but closed in). (Aside-Benz recommended a 400+ ohm setting but the cartridge has a 3.5 mv output and is a 45 ohm type so 220 ohms was recommended by several SUT manufacturers). |
Tim,
You may have seen this already, it looks like $250.00 for one duplex outlet treated with Graphene, for what I have been able to treat two systems and I will still have some left over when I am finished.
Black UEF Duplex treated with Graphene.
the claims are similar.
rc
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Sucks doesn't it..A single person trying to get something for nothing..using duress as a pry tool on a hobby forum. Tom |
Doesn’t extortion lead to, uh....murder? 😛
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I was so tempted to suggest the same thing.... |
Is there an episode of attempted extortion being played out in this public forum? Tom |
How many Beta testers were there? That’s really the question. Nobody knows except one person. 😳 The other question, of course, is will customers of the commercial product report negative results? Maybe not.
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^^^ Wolfie ... - "There's the rub, and if Special Hat Racks, aluminum Ju Ju Bee "transducers," Magic Goo that allows the path of an existing audio signal to be enhanced into something beyond itself ..."
Quick! Close the patent office. "Everything that can be invented has already been invented." Frank |
Since it’s going to be a long time before my can of Deoxit runs out, I plan to wait patiently to see if the audio community at large embraces the Magic Goo, and consequently wakes up to what is seemingly an epidemic of micro-arching. There’s a reason that "fabulousness" and hyperbole regarding products you didn’t know you needed is generally ignored by all but the "magic tweak faithful" and their agreeable wives, and that’s the fact that regardless of the relentless support of the salespeople involved in hyping these things, the audio geek marketplace overall actually isn’t so gullible. In threads nearly identical to each other, product promoters finding a product priced at a point that is often multiples of the cost of an established and generally accepted thing (Like Litelfuse stuff and Deoxit…both inexpensive and generally accepted as about as good as it gets), market it hard (and cheaply…like on a free forum) with floridly exaggerated subjective claims one dare not dispute (naysayers, negative Nancys, under qualified critics, trolls, left handed calligraphers). There’s the rub, and if Special Hat Racks, aluminum Ju Ju Bee "transducers," and Magic Goo that allows the path of an existing audio signal to be enhanced into something beyond itself ("Micro-arching Causes Brain Damage" news at 11!), do become accepted by the marketplace of perhaps rational listeners and their wives (or reviewed by reviewers not in the tight clutch of the magic enhancement sales fringe), you can count me in! |
Ozzy ...
The first incarnation of TC was fantastic in its own right. Both the 4 week and 8 week breakthroughs occurred for me.
The second incarnation was smoother with fewer black "chunks" of graphene, which were reduced to little "specks." I got the same results with the second batch as I did with the first batch. Fantastic.
The third and final version was treated cryogenically and came out much smoother and was easier to apply. It was a through mix.
In treating connections with all three, I found the sound to be about the same. Very close. This is why I said to you that after treating your complete system with the first product, leaving it on for several weeks, and not hearing any difference, or it even being a detraction, that getting a sample and using it just to paste your fuse ends would be a moot point. I mean, if you couldn’t hear the improvements made by the first batch, you won’t hear the improvements afforded by the third batch on the fuses ends either.
So far, you and "your audio buddies" are the first to try it without getting a positive result. All of my audio buddies have been blown away with what they’ve heard.
Its not that I don’t believe you, Ozzy ... but something is going on and is not right. I was going to say perhaps "system dependent," but then there are those "audio buddies" of yours who didn’t get good results either.
Maybe we can get to the bottom of things. How about listing what their systems consist of and what connections they pasted and what they didn’t paste. How long did they leave it on before removing it? How long was their listening tests?
If they didn’t like the product, there must be some reason why. You didn’t say what it did that they didn’t like. Is there a common denominator here somewhere between your system and theirs where we could determine that it IS system dependent in some way?
Frank |
Jay ... So far you’ve enlightened us with Ozzy’s dilemma and commented on what Geoff is thinking .... but you don’t speak for anyone else? Meh! You also said this: - "Right now you are coming off as a a combination of the archetypes of the used car salesman ..."
Yeppers, Jay, I guess you didn’t mention used car salesmen either ... except in the post alluded to above. <Geeze!> What, in your opinion, would an ’archetype’ of a used car salesman be? Have you ever sold cars for a living, Jay? Do you have any car salesmen in the family, or count any of them among your friends? What are you basing your opinion on, Jay? So Jay ... what is your intent in posting here? So far, I see nothing positive in your contributions. You ask a lot of questions, which is okay by me, but you never seem to be satisfied with the answers. Are you truly interested in Tim’s product, or are you just trying to stir the pot and trying to pull chains? If I haven’t answered a question thoroughly enough, what is it? Have you checked with A'gon and asked them what the return policy is? I believe that was the final unanswered question, wasn't it? Frank |
hifiman5,
Thanks for the response. I hope Tim agrees.
If the product lasts 6 months and I only have to use a small amount I will return the balance priority mail ASAP.
ozzy |
@ozzy Sounds like a reasonable proposal to me. If Tim doesn't want to risk a full vial of TC, he could at least send you enough to try at several contact points that would allow you to see if gen.3 is the big deal that the flatterers here attest it to be.
In Mr. Mrok's favor, to have a former naysayer be converted to a product supporter would give TC gravitas beyond what the flatterers have stated.
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For the record, I did share the product sample that I received with several of my audio buddies and none of them liked it.
But again, I had the 1st version not the latest version. SO maybe, just maybe it has been improved. I mean why 3 versions then?
I do think Tim needs to come to the plate and provide me the latest and greatest version to prove to me and anyone else that the product I received to sample was an anomaly and has been improved with the final version. If I like it I will pay for it, if not I will return everything.
I promise to post my thoughts even if I have to admit that the new product is awesome like so many of you have stated in this thread.
I believe I have a good reputation on Audiogon and will be totally honest about it.
Tim, the ball is in your court...
ozzy |
All the macro and microagressions in this thread would endanger collegiate safe spaces! 😬 |
Jay sez ...
So, not only are you speaking for Ozzy, but now you’re an agent for Geoff too?
Off topic, Jay? I asked you if you had ever held a 100% commissioned job in response to your prejudiced diatribe regarding used car salesmen. That kind of prejudice is based upon ignorance and fear. Its true that the average American is conditioned to not like and not trust salespeople, but that is based upon what, other than prejudice?
Frank, I don’t speak for anyone else, nor am I an agent for anyone else, unlike you. You made an open question, to which I answered. Geoff is free to answer if I was incorrect about his intent. The rest of the comment stands. I have not said one word about used car salesmen. I merely made a comparison of them and you. If there is a negative connotation and/or prejudice to derive from used cars salesmen, that just reflects your actions, intents, and/or writings are negative. |
Bumble bees aren't supposed to fly either, but they do. More than a 1000 feet at a time too. |
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Other hobbies? Interesting. I’m guessing model trains or stamp collecting. 🤠
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A better example is the Space Shuttle. Ooops, that’s a bad example, too!
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To me the threads for the fuses and TC are some of the most interesting to read. I really am not interested one way or another whether or not the fuses or TC are "fantastic" or "snake oil". I have no interest in them at this time, as I have other hobbies that are priorities, but say to each his own.
But the banter between the so called "believers" and the so called "naysayers" is world class and fun to read. This is why I read these threads. That said, I will give two to one odds that tommylion has his eight week epiphany in the seventh week. "Just having a little fun 😉" |
The point is it worked, when there were plenty of people who were positive it couldn’t. And look what it led to. There are tons of examples, history is littered with them. I'm sure you get my drift.
Just having a little fun 😉 You should be up for the Wet Blanket of the Year award.
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Bad example. The Wright Brothers’ first flight was less than 1000 feet.
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I've never seen or tried that contraption that Orville and Wilbur built, but I know for sure that it can't possibly work. |
Jay sez ... - "Geoff recognizes when a tangential comment is made that is completely off topic. You obviously do not recognize irony either. It is clear you just do not get it."
So, not only are you speaking for Ozzy, but now you’re an agent for Geoff too? Off topic, Jay? I asked you if you had ever held a 100% commissioned job in response to your prejudiced diatribe regarding used car salesmen. That kind of prejudice is based upon ignorance and fear. Its true that the average American is conditioned to not like and not trust salespeople, but that is based upon what, other than prejudice? shadrorne sez ... - "This blatant promotional advertising thread is like the energizer bunny. It just keeps going and going and going. Over 1000 posts....on and on and on. 100% commission sales requires some heavy promotional work I guess."
Its interesting that you continue returning to this thread, Shadrorne, while at the same time complaining that the thread "keeps going and going and going ...." For what purpose do you continue posting in this thread? I’ve asked you continually what your intent is, and you have yet to answer it. You don’t believe in the product, have no intention of buying it, and yet, you continue to be disruptive in this thread. Why? Again ... what is your intent? Yep, I have over 1000 posts, but geeze man, I’m just a piker compared with you and your 6627 posts. Kettle calling the pot black? Frank |
This blatant promotional advertising thread is like the energizer bunny. It just keeps going and going and going. Over 1000 posts....on and on and on. 100% commission sales requires some heavy promotional work I guess. TC is to Audiogon as exercise machines/weight loss are to cable TV |
^^^ And the purpose of those last two posts was what, exactly? Geoff recognizes when a tangential comment is made that is completely off topic. You obviously do not recognize irony either. It is clear you just do not get it. Maybe one day you'll realize that you do as much damage as you do good. If you don't know the answer, don't attempt to answer the question with some verbose rubbish. Let Tim come out from underneath his rock, since you say he reads every message. |
^^^ And the purpose of those last two posts was what, exactly? |
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Frank wrote,
”Have you ever sold for a living, Jay? Have you ever had a job that pays on a 100% commision basis? Just wondering ....”
>>>>Mandrake, were you ever a prisoner of war? 😬
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Frank wrote,
”Have you ever sold for a living, Jay? Have you ever had a job that pays on a 100% commision basis? Just wondering ....”
>>>>Have you ever been a prisoner of war in a Chinese camp?
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Jay ... 1. What do you know about the situation betweem Ozzy and Tim? Are you aware of anything other than what was posted in this thread? If not, you’re really not qualified to speak on the situation. If you had both sides of the story, then you’d be able to make a fair assessment. 2. How old is my final beta product? Answer is several months. However, I still have some left of the first and second tube ... and they are still viable. 3. See one. 4. Different issues? What issues are you alluding to? Do you think inflation is a natural occurance? 5. It is what it is. And you’re correct, the true mettle is in trying the product in one’s own system. At what point are you going to do that? 6. Are you alluding to Ozzy’s review? Other than that, I’m not familiar with any negative reviews. And, sorry ... but I’m not familiar with A’gon’s return policy. I’m not the principle here, but only an observer, tester and reporter. For the answer, if I were you, I’d contact A’gon directly, or send a PM to Tim Mrock. 7. Well, with the exception of the return policy, have your questions been answered to your satisfaction so far? 8. You’re right again ... I DID use my room mate example in the Blue fuse thread. I was thinking it was in the TC thread when I posted about it last time. Simple mistake ... thanks for pointing it out. 9. - "Right now you are coming off as a a combination of the archetypes of the used car salesman and the white knight."
Have you ever sold for a living, Jay? Have you ever had a job that pays on a 100% commision basis? Just wondering .... Frank |
Definition of fantastic
1 a : based on fantasy (see 1fantasy 3) : not real
b : conceived or seemingly conceived by unrestrained fancy
"fantastic new space and nuclear weapons" —Jack Raymond
c : so extreme as to challenge belief : unbelievable
a fantastic industrial complex of steel, coal, machine tools, and other heavy industries —M. S. Handler
; broadly : exceedingly large or great spent fantastic sums on his library
2 : marked by extravagant fantasy or extreme individuality : eccentric fantastic works of art
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Update;
I treated the flat screen power chord (stock chord and no power conditioning) and the dnm interconnect to the dnm preamp with the TC on Sunday afternoon. I did not give it much thought, since I had not watched much television. However on Monday evening after about a five minutes of watching a basketball game, I was pleasantly surprised as to the amount of detail and clarity in the audio. It was definitely not on par with the hi-fi but still noticeable and easier to listen to.
I noticed only a slight improvement on the picture but it’s a nice bonus.
This product keeps on giving positive results.
rc |
oregonpapa OP
Geoffkait ...
From hall monitor to spelling monitor?? :o)
>>>>>From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli. |
Jay ...
1. Tim is not running a restaurant. Again, what is between Tim and Ozzy is between Tim and Ozzy.
2. Shelf life: Its working for me.
3. First, Tim’s customer service is first rate. Take the time to read the responses regarding Tim’s service in this thread. The fact that Ozzy has his nose out of joint has no reflection on Tim’s service.
4. Yeppers, I’m an old guy all right. You’re correct, Austrian economics HAS been under attack for just about a hundred years in this country. Who’s doing the attacking though? Marxists? Progressives? Those who believe in massive debt and fiat money? Isn’t a 21 trillion dollar debt and a trillion dollar budget shortage enough for you guys?
5. Obviously clear, Jay ... if you would take the time to read the thread from the beginning, you’d find that a lot of your questions have already been answered.
6. Return policy "side stepped?" Again, read the thread from its inception.
Now then, is there anything else standing in the way of your purchase?
Frank
So Jay ... For the third time: Have your questions been answered to your satisfaction, or is there still something standing in the way of your purchase?
Frank, 1. This is no longer a situation of something between ozzy and Tim. The restaurant example was an analogy that applies to all businesses. Tim admitted to purposely not replying to a customer’s email. This should be a basic courtesy, and is a poor sign on his customer service. He has yet to own up to this, has he? 2. This is still you avoiding the question. How old is your production, read NOT BETAS, TC? 3. See 1. 4. That is a sign of different issues. It has no relevance on the economic principles, and whether huge money is in the pocket books of those applying them. 5. Even if I read through all 22 pages. Most of it is filled with hyperbole, and what Geoff has named the The Last Tweak Syndrome. There is little talk of preferences, goals, and systems. I might dig further when I have time, but a sample, or 1/2 unit would a no brainer. I think you would agree that no matter what anyone says, the true mettle of an audio product is trying it in one’s own system. 6. Again sidestepping the negative review. As to the return policy, if it is different from what Audiogon states, then I would appreciate if you just said so. What is the return policy? I have laid out THREE questions very clearly. When you answer them, then you can continue your response of "Have your questions been answered to your satisfaction," when you should know they currently have not. Right now you are coming off as a a combination of the archetypes of the used car salesman and the white knight. Steve ...
During my first listening session after applying TC for the first time, I was playing an excellent recording of a female voice. My room mate, no audiophile himself, came out of his room and said ... "It sounds so clear that I really thought someone was singing in the living room." This from a guy who had never even seen a high end system before moving in here.
Frank You used this same example with the Synergistic fuse. I always find it humorous when people continue to use this example. "Of course it works! Even my non-audiophile wife/daughter/son/friend/roommate/neighbor/dog/cat/gerbil/pet fish/rabbit...can hear the difference." My favorite, "my son knows how it’s supposed sound, he’s in his high school band!" 😂 |
Steve ...
During my first listening session after applying TC for the first time, I was playing an excellent recording of a female voice. My room mate, no audiophile himself, came out of his room and said ... "It sounds so clear that I really thought someone was singing in the living room." This from a guy who had never even seen a high end system before moving in here.
Frank |
Geoffkait ...
From hall monitor to spelling monitor?? :o)
Frank |
No, the changes were made incrementally. The full TC treatment was also added to my living room CD only audio system which only had the SR Blue Fuse and SR Black duplex, otherwise, no room treatment at all (great room acoustics). My wife liked the sound before and after treatment there where she generally prefers listening to her rock CDs. The TC opened the soundstage, increased the resolution and deepened the bass. After that change, I installed two Mapleshade 2" platforms replacing the 1" granite slabs under the bottom firing woofer of Signature IIIs. This made the system increase in depth, bass definition and seamless highs. So these were two complementary changes. My wife says the system rocks. She has a biology degree from Stonybrook U. and was the top IT business analyst at Reology for title/escrow programming until retiring No dummy and can't be fooled easily. If she doesn't approve of a change, she let's me know in no uncertain terms. |
