HYPEX,PASCAL OR ABLETEC


Knowing about the many apparently very good class D amps on the market right now and even though I'm very satisfied with my current ClassD Audio SDS-440CS amp, I'm seriously considering purchasing one of these amps to try out in my system. My thinking is that, if I do like the amp in my system, I can just use my current amp to replace an older Adcom GFA-545 that currently powers my Magnepan CC3 center channel and my unamplified (passive)sub for ht purposes. I would then always be able to choose which amp I used for my 2 ch music and which amp I used for ht(cc and sub).

Well, I should get to my point:

I'm using an Oppo105 as the master source in my streamlined A/V living room system used 40% for 2-ch music and 60% for ht. For 2-ch listening, I stream my cd collection and hi-res Flac files from a Synology NAS in another room to the Oppo. The Oppo acts as a stand alone dac and sends the analog output via xlr cables to my class D amp (440 w/ch@4ohms) which powers my Magnepan 2.7qr speakers. For ht, I use the Oppo for decoding surround sound from Netflix, Directv and bluray discs. Two class A/B amps power the Oppo's ht audio outputs to my Magnepan CC3 center channel, LFE sub and in-ceiling rear surround channels.
I've narrowed my new amp choices down to the following four listed below. I'm requesting feedback on any or all of these 4 amp options, especially from anyone who has used 1 or more in their system. My budget is $2,000 to $2,500 and my room is 18ft x 13ft with 8ft ceilings. Here are my options:

Option#1 Hypex Ncore nc400 based amp builds from James Romeyn in Utah. A stereo, dual-mono build is $1,500 total and is rated at 400 watts @ 4 ohms. It includes 2 Hypex nc400 power modules both powered by 1 nc12000 smps mounted in a generic case with a black or silver aluminum faceplate with both se and xlr inputs. A pair of mono-blocks built runs a bit under $2,000/pr. total and consists of a nc400 power module mated to a nc600 smps in each 'NCORE' labeled black case with both se and xlr inputs.

Option#2 Pascal amp build from Aluminati Sound in Ohio. This is a stereo build only that will use a new stereo board from Pascal in Denmark, called the SPRO-2, that has a smps incorporated on the board. Power output is rated at 500 watts/ch @ 4 ohms. Forecasted price is about $2,000 but may run a bit higher. Pascal modules are used in the new JRRG Continuum 2 integrated amp that has received very positive sq reviews. Alumnati is owned by 2 former CNC machinists/fabricators. Their main advantage is their case work. One of the Aluminati owners, Matt Kraemer, told me the new stereo Pascal amp is tentatively named the "X-1" and should be available for order by approx. mid July. He said the stereo case will be milled from a single large aluminum block. The finished case will have an anodized finish (think JRRG cases but milled as 1 solid piece instead of multiple anodized face panels attached to a chassis underneath. The aluminum case will have a blue power/status light mounted underneath projecting downward.

Option#3- Abletec amp modules in the DSonic M3-600M mono-blocks. I'm not certain which Abletec modules are used in these amps but the price is $1,950/pr. and power output is 600 watts/ch @ 4 ohms in black cases with a blue power/status light with both se and xlr inputs. The Abletec modules have built-in smps just like the Pascal modules. According to DSonic's owner, Dennis Deacon, the 600Ms and their top-of-the-line 1500Ms have similar sound characteristics, even though the 1500Ms use Pascal modules(likely either a MPro or XPro module).

Option#4- Identical ClassD Audio SDS-440CS amp to replace my older class A/B amp that powers my center ch and sub. This option is least attractive to me since it would mean my music amplification would remain the same and I wouldn't be auditioning any of the newer class D amp modules. If I liked option 1,2 or 3 above better for music playback, I would simply move my existing CDA music amp over to center and sub duties anyways. The only benefit of option #4 is that it's the least expensive at $630.

I've ruled out some amps, like the Wyred4Sound and Red Dragon offerings, because they use the older Ice ucd power modules typically considered sonically inferior to the newer Hypex Ncore, Pascal and Abletec power modules. Any comments comparing the sq of these options is greatly appreciated, especially if you've owned or listened to some of these. I do understand that there is more involved with how various class D amps sound than just the power modules utilized, such as high quality components and custom input stages.

I should also say, just like Audiozen, I have never actually heard a Hypex, Pascal or Abletec powered amp. I'm just curious and base my optimism on the positive reports from owners, listeners and professional reviewers. If I had a larger $10k plus budget, I'd likely just buy a completed amp based on the Hypex Ncore nc1200 power modules, such as Merrill, upcoming Mola-Mola or Acoustic Imagery.

Thank you in advance for your thoughts, comments and suggestions. Please feel free to suggest other reasonably priced class D amps I may have omitted.

Thank you,
Tim



Much like Audiozen, I am basing
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Hi all,

Well, I actually received my M3-600-M completed amps back from D-Sonic Saturdrday. Before I go into more detail, I first want to respond to a few recent posters:

10-31-14: Njs
"Dollar for dollar you will be far more rewarded (and financially solvent) prioritizing: 1) speakers and their appropriate placement, 2) quality sources, 3) preamplifiers, and 4) appropriate room treatments ahead of amplifiers.

With that said, I am enjoying the holy hell out of my new D-Sonic amplifiers."

Njs,

I agree with everything you posted. I am still thrilled with the performance of my speakers, Magnepan 2.7qr, for both ht and 2-channel music. They are older speakers but are in like new condition and I think I have their positioning dialed in since they have that disappearing quality where you tend to forget the sound is coming from two 6ft tall and 2ft wide panels. I position the speakers 3 feet out from the front wall for ht/tv/background music listening and about 5 feet out for optimal sound staging for a more enjoyable music listening experience that gives a solid 3-D illusion that is wide and deep and gives the sense that the performers are in your living room or you've been transported to their location.

I previously upgraded my source from an older Sony DVD-7700, a very good cd/dvd player that had served me well for 10 yrs, to a more up to date Oppo 105 blu-ray player. I also added a laptop running JRiver Media Center controlling a 20TB Synology NAS that's backed up by a 20TB Seagate hard drive. This brought me into the 21st century utilizing computer audio playback. I now have my entire cd collection residing on the NAS, along with a number of hi-rez 96khz/24 bit FLAC music files, which are wirelessly streamed to the Oppo that serves as both a Media Renderer and Media Player. The Oppo also serves as a very good internal DAC, utilizing Saber 9018 dac chips, that converts the incoming digital signals to analog and outputs these to my amps via balanced XLR outputs and cables.

Lastly, the Oppo contains a very good internal surround processor and preamp section. This allowed me to eliminate my external surround processor and tubed VTL 2.5 preamp, with ht bypass, from the audio chain.

I was amazed, when comparing my system with and without the VTL included, that the sound without the tubes and VTL sounded just as sweet only utilizing the Oppo's completely solid-state built in preamp section. I thought there's no need to include the additional VTL preamp in the audio chain when its only purpose would be as a moderately expensive tube buffer that's not needed.

I want to note, however, that the combo of my beloved VTL preamp, having NOS Mullard tubes and an upgraded power supply, with my ClassD Audio 440CS amp produced excellent results. I would definitely suggest any class D amp owners, or those contemplating buying one, would benefit by pairing it with a tubed preamp.

As fortune has it, I just happen to have a nice one for sale if anyone is interested in buying it. It's a black unit, with HT Bypass but no phono section, that is in like new condition with zero flaws. I bought it new in 2006 from a local dealer (msrp was $2,500 at the time) here in central Indiana near Indy. I sent it to VTL this year due to noise in 1 channel. It turned out to be a bad 12AU7 Mullard tube. VTL replaced both 12AU7 tubes with new standard issue tubes and also upgraded the power supply to the current model's improved supply for $200.00. I have the original box, packing, manual and remote and am asking $1,050.00. Send me an Audiogon pm if interested.

The only priority I haven't addressed from Njs's list is room treatments, which I plan on looking into soon.

Mcbuddah,

You seem to be another very satisfied D-Sonic customer with your well broken in pair of M2-600-M amps, especially since you were coming from such a well respected Atma-Sphere amp. I believe your amps use the identical Abletec1000-1300 modules as my M3-600-M amps. I hope I am as pleased with mine as you seem to be with yours.

Sebollo001/Sebastian,

I'm pleased, and more than a bit relieved, to report that the Oppo has no impedance matching issues with the D-Sonic amps. I've already discovered, although thus far only with satellite tv audio as a source, that the D-Sonics possess the same smooth mids to treble attributes of my former ClassD Audio amp but with even more detail present.

You initially had me a bit concerned so I asked D-Sonic about this. They didn't think I'd have a problem since other customers have used their amps direct from Oppos with no issues. But thank you for your subsequent clarifying post.

Mdemaio,

Thanks for the info on the new Red Dragon amp but I'm now committed to the Abletec/D-Sonics, at least for a while.

Guido,
You can always be relied upon for accurate and up to date class D information, thanks.

Okay, now back to my D-Sonic adventures:

The new amps are now installed in my system with my existing cabling. I have each mono on a Steve Blinn maple platform with 4 brass spiked footers on each, The stands/amps are positioned within 6" of the inside edge of each speaker on the carpeted floor.

I let the amps sit for a few hours after unboxing to let them adjust to room temp before installing. After startup, I just eased them in running satellite tv sound through the rest of Saturday's day1 with a 2 hour exception that night: we had friends over and watched "Lone Survivor", an action film with plenty of combat scenes, gun fire, helicopters and explosions. I'm now using my prior class D amp, with 220/440watts @ 8/4 ohms to power my 8 ohm passive sub and 4 ohm center channel and retired my former older class A/B Adcom 100 watt amp from the same duties.

I did crank up the volume to theater level for the movie and the performance of the new amps was outstanding. Overall, I noticed improved dynamics, improved details and a generally even more immersive quality in my ht system. However, l believe the increase in power and quality of the sub and cc amplification ( older adcom 100 watts to newer ClassD Audio 220-440 watts) was also a big contributor to the improved system performance, along with the increase in power and quality of the front L+R channel amplification (ClassD Audio/ IRS amp module at 440 watts to D-Sonic/Abletec ALC amp module at over 1,000 watts into my 4 ohm speakers) that clearly improved detail retrieval and bass quality and quantity from my 2.7 speakers.

I'll be checking the new amps out with music in the next few days. I'll let you know my initial impressions soon and try to update as the amps break in.

I'll also give an update as to whether the James Romeyn custom cabling has any detectable affect on system performance, once they arrive and had a chance to listen for a while.

I'm very happy and relieved that my new amps are finally installed in my system. I've already determined that these amps are excellent performers as ht amps.
I'm now looking forward to just relaxing and listening to lots of familiar, and hopefully some new, music to determine how these amps perform with musical content.

Later,
Tim

Sebollo001, the amps I have use the M-Pro2 boards which are in the same line as the 1500w ones that were reviewed, mine are 800 w in 4 ohms, 1400 w bridged, the ones in the Aluminati are S-Pro2, differences dont know, would be interesting to compare

Mcbuddah, yes I did consider upgrading the STP but worried about resale value and I really liked how my 6h30 Dodd tube buffer sounded with my Class D amp, so I was trying to improve on that and at the same type keep the system all balanced. I installed the ARC LS17SE last night and listened a little while and I was impressed with the sound compared to the STP, will have to try going back to it in a week or so

The passive low gain stage is interesting, also looked at Tortuga LDR and also now Rossi LIO for line stages, the LDR can be made balanced also
Jtsnead,

Srajan Ebaen, for 6moons, made a comparison between the M-Pro2 Gato Audio DIA-400 (Pascal M-PRO2) and DIA-250 (Pascal S-PRO2) integrated amps:

http://6moons.com/audioreviews/gato3/1.html

I think Dennis Deacon uses the M-PRO2 in 2 CH mode for the M3-800S.

Jeff Rowland also uses the M-PRO2 module in 2 CH configuration in the Continuum S2.

I asked Matt Kraemer (Aluminati Sound) if he tested both M-PRO2 and S-PRO2 modules, here's his answer:

"Pascal sent us the S-PRO2 and M-PRO2 for sampling and testing. We couldn't tell a difference between the two other than a high volume range with the higher wattage M series board.
The X2 is best suited with the S-PRO2 board and will match very well with your 805s speakers. It offers higher clarity, image detailing and dynamics over the NC400 board".

Interesting his comment comparing the Pascal with he Hypex DIY NC400 module.
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