There is absolutely nothing ridiculous about what I have said on the subject. You disagree, fine; but, as concerns this, you are living in a reality of your own making that has no backing nor credence. That you guys can't hear the musical connections nor make the associations to the various ethnic influences in jazz that are there to be heard does not validate an alternate reality.
O-10, I am afraid your thought process at times like this is no more clear and accurate than your grammar. I would love nothing more than to not get entangled in these stupid arguments. But, in my book this topic matters. It is so basic and important to the general topic of this thread that gross misstatements and made up sh*t need to be called out. Moreover, if you can't understand why I would not want to take you up on your "offer" to lead the discussion about Cuban music after the series of taunting and provocative comments by you and your (for today) cohort, then I'm afraid you are in the dark about more than just music and its history. Go back over those posts; if you care. This will be the last thing I say on the subject (for now); perhaps some of it will sink in. Pay close attention, now:
**** you choose to point out where Bebop originated in Africa ****
That you would make such a statement points to the absence of any kind of grounding on the subject. No one has said that Bebop "originated" in Africa. The distinction between "originate" and "influence" is key. African music was one of the major influences in the creation of jazz. Bebop is jazz. Without the jazz (and blues) styles that preceded Bebop there would be no Bebop. Hence, Bebop was influenced by African music. What is so difficult to understand about this?
Btw, the suggestion that "modern jazz" ended in the 70's is equally non-sensical. So, then, are you saying that there has been no jazz created since the 70's? If you are not saying that, then what does one call jazz produced from the 70's to the present day, if not "modern"?
O-10, I am afraid your thought process at times like this is no more clear and accurate than your grammar. I would love nothing more than to not get entangled in these stupid arguments. But, in my book this topic matters. It is so basic and important to the general topic of this thread that gross misstatements and made up sh*t need to be called out. Moreover, if you can't understand why I would not want to take you up on your "offer" to lead the discussion about Cuban music after the series of taunting and provocative comments by you and your (for today) cohort, then I'm afraid you are in the dark about more than just music and its history. Go back over those posts; if you care. This will be the last thing I say on the subject (for now); perhaps some of it will sink in. Pay close attention, now:
**** you choose to point out where Bebop originated in Africa ****
That you would make such a statement points to the absence of any kind of grounding on the subject. No one has said that Bebop "originated" in Africa. The distinction between "originate" and "influence" is key. African music was one of the major influences in the creation of jazz. Bebop is jazz. Without the jazz (and blues) styles that preceded Bebop there would be no Bebop. Hence, Bebop was influenced by African music. What is so difficult to understand about this?
Btw, the suggestion that "modern jazz" ended in the 70's is equally non-sensical. So, then, are you saying that there has been no jazz created since the 70's? If you are not saying that, then what does one call jazz produced from the 70's to the present day, if not "modern"?