Directionality of wire


I am a fan of Chris Sommovigo's Black Cat and Airwave interconnects. I hope he does not mind me quoting him or naming him on this subject, but Chris does not mark directionality of his IC's. I recently wrote him on the subject and he responded that absent shunting off to ground/dialectric designs, the idea of wire directionality is a complete myth. Same with resistors and fuses. My hunch is that 95% of IC "manufacturers", particularly the one man operations of under $500 IC's mark directionality because they think it lends the appearance of technical sophistication and legitimacy. But even among the "big boys", the myth gets thrown around like so much accepted common knowledge. Thoughts? Someone care to educate me on how a simple IC or PC or speaker cable or fuse without a special shunting scheme can possibly have directionality? It was this comment by Stephen Mejias (then of Audioquest and in the context of Herb Reichert's review of the AQ Niagra 1000) that prompts my question;

Thank you for the excellent question. AudioQuest provided an NRG-10 AC cable for the evaluation. Like all AudioQuest cables, our AC cables use solid conductors that are carefully controlled for low-noise directionality. We see this as a benefit for all applications -- one that becomes especially important when discussing our Niagara units. Because our AC cables use conductors that have been properly controlled for low-noise directionality, they complement the Niagara System’s patented Ground-Noise Dissipation Technology. Other AC cables would work, but may or may not allow the Niagara to reach its full potential. If you'd like more information on our use of directionality to minimize the harmful effects of high-frequency noise, please visit http://www.audioquest.com/directionality-its-all-about-noise/ or the Niagara 1000's owner's manual (available on our website).

Thanks again.

Stephen Mejias
AudioQuest


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fsonicsmith
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almarg
Geoff, the gentleman asked a question, and I responded by stating a fact. It was neither an appeal to authority nor a statement that involved logic, fallacious or otherwise.

Regards,
-- Al

>>>>>Of course it’s a logical fallacy. No one ever suggested that wire directionality was evident anywhere except in the audio hobby. So to state that it was never discussed in your high tech/digital workplace sounds a little bit like you’re actually trying to say, since no one ever discussed it in high tech or computers or NASA then it doesn’t exist, therefore audiophiles must be delusional. I.e., some guys with big foreheads somewhere would have found evidence of it. It’s obviously a Strawman Argument, in other words a *logical fallacy*. Is it just coincidence that it was YOU who responded to his question?

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stfoth
Geoff--how about audible directionality in glass optical "cable?"

I wouldn't think so. I pointed out recently on this thread that cables like those that employ carbon conductors shouldn't exhibit directionality. Since glass is homogeneous it should not exhibit directionality. Metal conductors, you know, like copper, silver and gold, etc. have crystal structures and thus are not amorphous, especially after the metal wires have been drawn.

Geoff--I asked the question of anyone who may be aware--of course, if inherent directionality was noted in other applications, it might support the directionality camp.  Their research and usage could have some transferable context.

If not, I would think that the absence of it in other applications where stakes are infinitely higher and arguably more sensitive than our measly listening devices would support the non-directionality camp.

Then, of course, perhaps one could argue that it's apples to oranges and that there is something inherently electrically different and unique about audio from everything else.  Couldn't definitively argue against that.  I have a difficult time believing "we" are that unique, though.

I didn't take Almarg's response as anything other than experiential and anecdotal, which he qualified, FWIW.  You may know him well enough to read between lines.  I dunno.

Anyway, I have not been able to detect any difference from flipping cables around, but I, of course, have stone ears, crappy gear, and am too dumb to even understand how MQA is supposed to work.  And I use comparatively inexpensive (so, probably crappy) cables--mostly stranded copper speaker, rca, and xlr.  A couple of rcas with a touch of silver.  Silver plated solid copper for digital, because I got a deal on them.  Might directionality only apply to premium cabling?