Directionality of wire

kosst_amojan
144 posts                                                                    08-24-2017 3:05pm

But there’s nothing there to hear. And you can’t prove there is.
And why can’t you tell me why it would be a good thing even if it did exist? I’ve asked twice now.

Back at you. Show me any credible test data that says it doesn’t exist. You can’t, can you?

And why can’t you tell me why it would be a good thing even if it did exist? I’ve asked twice now.

Just a guess it was discovered by accident many years ago. Some one discovered directionality by listening to a cable they had built. ( I never found a cheap IC that uses stranded wire and PVC insulation that I could hear any difference if the ICs were reversed. I tried it about 16, 18, years ago.)

I first leaned about wire/cable directionality when my son bought some solid core copper silver plated "Wonder Wire" that had/has a Teflon dielectric, insulation, from Micheal Percy. Just going from memory it was around the late 1990s early 2000. It could have been earlier, I just don’t remember for sure. Micheal marked the end of the wire as it came off the spool with a piece of masking tape. And yes the wire was directional.

As for a good thing??? Well, I guess if YOU can/could hear the difference and one direction sounded slightly better than the other direction which way would you install the ICs or speaker cable in your audio system? I mean why does anybody use anything other than cheapo $2 or $5 ICs in their audio system? Back in the 1970s that’s what I used.

For what it’s worth The Audioquest solid core silver wire ICs and speaker cables I own sound best hooked up in the direction of the arrows on the cables. The Clear Day solid core silver wire ICs I borrowed from my son for at least a month or so again sounded best, to my ears and my son’s ears, in the direction of the arrows on the cable.

Take the time and read this post where John Curl tested ICs just to prove they do improve with break-in, burn-in time. It’s not as simple a matter as you will discover.
Was John’s testing method accurate or flawed. How about the other guy’s test proving ICs SQ do not improve with break-in time. Was his testing with a multi-meter correct?
https://www.audioasylum.com/audio/cables/messages/4/42469.html

AA threads are a little hard to follow at first. Last posted message go to the top of the page. So if you want to read the thread from the start you start at the bottom and work up.

Main response to the OP posted message is to the far left margin of the page.

No one said it’s a good thing. Certainly not me. I would call it a subtle thing. Subtle but powerful. Just for the record this is about the fourth time I answered the same question. Or should I say non question. A Nothing Burger. 🍔

geoffkait6,394 posts08-24-2017 5:00pmAs far as the directionality thread is concerned Al and Atmasphere have definitely not proved their points. Furthermore, it should be pointed out much of Al’s argument (as is often the case) is an Appeal to Authority, citing experts to support his argument. Even citing his own expertise, not to mention Atmasphere’s. That’s an appeal to authority. You know, a logical fallacy. Geez, all you would have to do to win any (rpt any) technical argument is say well, I found this guy so and so and he says such and such so I must be right.

Cheers

Geoff,

Say what!! That has to the dumbest post of yours to date.

Furthermore, it should be pointed out much of Al’s argument (as is often the case) is an Appeal to Authority, citing experts to support his argument.

What planet are you from?

Appeal to Authority???

You mean men like,
 Michael Farady ( Faraday's law of induction )
  Joseph Henry (Inductance)
 James Clark Maxwell (Maxwell's equations)
  John Henry Poynting ( Poynting vector)
 Georg Ohm (Ohms Law)
 Alessandro Volta (Voltage)
 The list goes on and on.
 And yes, Ralph Morrison and Henry Ott among others.

Whose examples do you follow when you present an argument or claim? Just your own educated opinion? Were you self taught, self educated?

Start here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poynting_vector

You can have the last the word. I am not going to argue with you.

All of those illustrious names are just names. You are a name dropper. Name dropping doesn’t win arguments. It’s an Appeal to Authority, a well-known logical fallacy. Especially in these audio controversies. You forgot Albert Einstein. Follow? You're not going to argue with me? Huh? You just did. Even though it was an illogical argument.

@jea48
You’re joking, right? You really want me to post pics of me testing a piece of wire both ways with a DMM so you can see there’s no difference?

Folks are selling this jazz like 9/11 truthers with rebranded accusations of cognitive dissonance, defying me to prove a negative.

Skin effect is subtle, but that CAN be measured. Nobody here has cited a phenomenon that would explain a wire being directional because there isn’t one. If there was a way to build a directional wire, you can bet your ass that you could buy it by the mile. High speed data buses are forever plagued with termination challenges, specifically, preventing signal reflections from traveling backwards down the bus. If there was any way to form a directional trace or wire, buses for memory and parallel SCSI wouldn’t require meticulous termination. A big reason computer buses have gone serial hub based point-to-point is because terminating them is a hell of a lot easier and cheaper.

Directionality is pure snake oil. Scour JEDEC and IEEE standards. You won’t find mention of any such phenomenon.