Directionality of wire

geoffkait6,394 posts08-24-2017 5:00pmAs far as the directionality thread is concerned Al and Atmasphere have definitely not proved their points. Furthermore, it should be pointed out much of Al’s argument (as is often the case) is an Appeal to Authority, citing experts to support his argument. Even citing his own expertise, not to mention Atmasphere’s. That’s an appeal to authority. You know, a logical fallacy. Geez, all you would have to do to win any (rpt any) technical argument is say well, I found this guy so and so and he says such and such so I must be right.

Cheers

Geoff,

Say what!! That has to the dumbest post of yours to date.

Furthermore, it should be pointed out much of Al’s argument (as is often the case) is an Appeal to Authority, citing experts to support his argument.

What planet are you from?

Appeal to Authority???

You mean men like,
 Michael Farady ( Faraday's law of induction )
  Joseph Henry (Inductance)
 James Clark Maxwell (Maxwell's equations)
  John Henry Poynting ( Poynting vector)
 Georg Ohm (Ohms Law)
 Alessandro Volta (Voltage)
 The list goes on and on.
 And yes, Ralph Morrison and Henry Ott among others.

Whose examples do you follow when you present an argument or claim? Just your own educated opinion? Were you self taught, self educated?

Start here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poynting_vector

You can have the last the word. I am not going to argue with you.

All of those illustrious names are just names. You are a name dropper. Name dropping doesn’t win arguments. It’s an Appeal to Authority, a well-known logical fallacy. Especially in these audio controversies. You forgot Albert Einstein. Follow? You're not going to argue with me? Huh? You just did. Even though it was an illogical argument.

@jea48
You’re joking, right? You really want me to post pics of me testing a piece of wire both ways with a DMM so you can see there’s no difference?

Folks are selling this jazz like 9/11 truthers with rebranded accusations of cognitive dissonance, defying me to prove a negative.

Skin effect is subtle, but that CAN be measured. Nobody here has cited a phenomenon that would explain a wire being directional because there isn’t one. If there was a way to build a directional wire, you can bet your ass that you could buy it by the mile. High speed data buses are forever plagued with termination challenges, specifically, preventing signal reflections from traveling backwards down the bus. If there was any way to form a directional trace or wire, buses for memory and parallel SCSI wouldn’t require meticulous termination. A big reason computer buses have gone serial hub based point-to-point is because terminating them is a hell of a lot easier and cheaper.

Directionality is pure snake oil. Scour JEDEC and IEEE standards. You won’t find mention of any such phenomenon.

kosst,

I was beginning to really follow along in paragraph 3. Good stuff. Then the "pure snake oil" comment. Pffffffft. The balloon lost its air. Honestly, is there a more overused and trite slam in the world of audio? You can do better.

Dave

 
kosst_amojan
@jea48
You’re joking, right? You really want me to post pics of me testing a piece of wire both ways with a DMM so you can see there’s no difference?

>>> Speaking for myself I prefer that uber skeptics and naysayers not (rpt not) test cables or fuses for direction for obvious reasons. 

Folks are selling this jazz like 9/11 truthers with rebranded accusations of cognitive dissonance, defying me to prove a negative.

>>>>Whatever..

Skin effect is subtle, but that CAN be measured.

>>>>>>So can directionality be measured. And very easily, too. Don't you have your listening ears on?

Nobody here has cited a phenomenon that would explain a wire being directional because there isn’t one.

>>>>>Again, you don't have your listening ears on. The phenomenon has been known for at least 20 years. Have you been living in a cave?

If there was a way to build a directional wire, you can bet your ass that you could buy it by the mile.

>>>>actually, you can not (rpt not) build a wire that isn't directional. See the irony?

High speed data buses are forever plagued with termination challenges, specifically, preventing signal reflections from traveling backwards down the bus. If there was any way to form a directional trace or wire, buses for memory and parallel SCSI wouldn’t require meticulous termination. A big reason computer buses have gone serial hub based point-to-point is because terminating them is a hell of a lot easier and cheaper.

>>>>Wire directionality probably would not (rpt not) show up in data communications. I've already addressed this. It's an audiophile thang! 😁

Directionality is pure snake oil. Scour JEDEC and IEEE standards. You won’t find mention of any such phenomenon.

>>>>>I doubt you have actually "scoured" those standards or any standards. Besides there are no standards for sound quality or for audiophile cables. There are no standards for many audiophile issues, actually, like polarity.