We Need A Separate Forum for Fuses

kosst, 

This thread, let alone this site, is nowhere near a court of law. To conflate the two is silly, on it's face. It's apples and lobsters, and about as relevant that the two are. 

You still present yourself as unassailable, not to be countered or contested, as if you hold all the cards. I sincerely hope you take better care in civil court and not think that how and what you say here can carry the day there.

And George, whatever...

All the best,
Nonoise

Serious question...
is there any way this thread could be more entertaining?
Dancing bears, NASCAR or mud wrestling would have nothing on the enjoyment of reading the pseudo-serious posturing going on here

@mitch2 

Only if its nude female mud wrestling....

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@georgehifi 
Well, that's why you're lifting it completely out of context to redefine the meaning of my words. You deliberately lop off the qualifying statement "in essence" so you can reframe the statement to your liking. It's dishonest. 

@nonoise 
No doubt this is no court. That model of debate doesn't originate in court. It's a basic convention of civilized conversation. Am I to assume there's nothing civilized about this conversation?

The argument the "believers" make, and the only one as far as I can tell, is they hear something and the only way I can know myself is to try it myself. Ironically, this is a great way to believe in God or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Just try to believe and magically you will. I don't think just wanting to believe in thing is a good reason to believe in things. For instance, I believe in God because they're is a powerfully compelling body of evidence to warrant considering the belief. But in this fuse thing, there's no body of evidence at all to justify the consideration. And just like devoted believers in God, nobody will persuade "fuse believers" to the contrary because they've had what they believe to be an authentic experience regardless of the actual phenomenology at work. 

Because I've been formally trained to do so, I know what tools work for convincing people to believe in things that they cannot see or hear. I know what it looks like when people and marketing departments use those tools. I'm pretty sure that's what I'm seeing here.