How is it ? that a tuner smokes the table ???

AAhhhhhaaaaa

I'll tell my friend to sell his 109 and blow off the dust of those MacIntosh units out of his closet and use them because there better.

that's funny, your hiliarious, maybe you would like to buy
those tuners from him? he can use some cash.

Seriously I guess there are no absolutes in audio
and one mans mediocracy is another mans excellence?

I am reluctant to tell what system my friend has because
of his privacy, but can tell you that his TT front end has a reputation to be very good.

He is using a fourway speaker that is quad amped thru a tube
electronic crossover using hiend end wire with a tube ref. preamp, hiend tube transformer coupled phono stage, 5000.00
moving coil cartridge, magnetic bearing turntable etc.
you get the picture?

I can assure his system is up to the task!
but this is only my opinion and my wife an tell u
I have been wrong before, so take it for what its worth?

later,

Dear Jimpcn: Too many tubes and IMHO some in the wrong place but this is for other thread.

Thank you for the info.
Btw, +++++ " I listened to countless analog set ups which were simply nothing special (no depth, no body, no holographic picture, colored in nearly all frequencies etc....) and even expensive Systems can be really boring. " +++++

maybe that " reference " analog system belongs to these kind of audio systems.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.

Its probably just that you happen to prefer the sound of the tuner.

You nailed it, Mapman. After Jimpcn made this statement this entire discussion is almost moot because it is a matter of preference in the end.

The tuner sounds similiar but has more dynamics and colorations, but is intimate, and just sounds damn good.

the amplifiers are transistor, preamp is tube nice combo;

also I don't buy the argument that his TT front end
belongs to that boring category, because I already mentioned that at times his table has more depth than the tuner, body is good and dynamics ok but not as good as the tuner; but in areas that are most important to recreate live sound the tuner dose a better job; IMO

If TT sound so bad, he would sell it and buy something else
but each move in the vinyl system has been an upgrade and he is not
interested in selling any pieces at this time.
vinyl is close to being max out.

the comment about this discussion being moot?
well that is always the case here on this discussion form
only because you can't all come and hear this comparison.

but, it is not moot if it just opens someones mind, and changes their preconceived notion based on audio BS. something
is learned, my intention and point is this, vinyl is no longer king of the hill(IMO) and diminishing returns should be considered.
I may downscale the vinyl medium, and with the cash get a 109 !

tuner is way more dynamic,
way more intimate (and that's shocking), and more flesh and body sounding, than a table could ever dream of.

those three elements are strong components to simulate live music IMHO. !!!

I am convinced that if a record or cd is playing from your CD player or TT, the radio stations same song will always sound better thru this 109 tuner.

I wish I knew why and how, but that is a fact and I am sticking with it !

until proven other wise, and if I hear something different
I will come back and report it and eat some crow.

peace brothers.