Absolute top tier DAC for standard res Redbook CD


Hi All.

Putting together a reference level system.
My Source is predominantly standard 16/44 played from a MacMini using iTunes and Amarra. Some of my music is purchased from iTunes and the rest is ripped from standard CD's.
For my tastes in music, my high def catalogues are still limited; so Redbook 16/44 will be my primary source for quite some time.

I'm not spending DCS or MSB money. But $15-20k retail is not out of the question.

Upsampling vs non-upsampling?
USB input vs SPDIF?

All opinions welcome.

And I know I need to hear them, but getting these ultra $$$ DAC's into your house for an audition ain't easy.

Looking for musical, emotional, engaging, accurate , with great dimension. Not looking for analytical and sterile.
mattnshilp
The real issue here is that your gear is using a 12AX7 and 12AU7 in the first place. Most of them suck, plain and simple. There are only a few of them that sound good. I know... Broad statement, based on my findings with them. IMO, YMMV...

The Amperex tubes are good, but I find them a tad soft for my tastes. They emphasize the midrange, particularly the upper midrange more, and are softer at the extremes. They have great presence, image well, but this could easily tip the balance of your system.

I'd go for regular Mullard tubes before Amperex myself. They at least get the balance right.

The only other 12AX7 besides the 10m I would consider is a 5751. GE and RCA would be my top pics. Either grey or black plate, 2 mica or triple mica. They are all about the same to me, but really good nonetheless. These don't last as long, but will give much of the 10M performance for less dough. They also do not work well in all gear that requires a 12AX7. They will either work wonderfully or not. Bottom line, the 5751 is a fantastic tube, if it works well in your gear.

12AU7 tubes, with a couple acceptions, suck. Just not a very linear sounding tube. The 7318 stands well above them all. I'll even say that the 7318 is one of the best small signal tubes you can use. If one has the headroom on heater current, your closest alternative would be a 12BH7 or ECC99. These will tax most gear though as they draw double the current, or more, that the 12AU7 does. With these big plate tubes, good luck finding some quiet ones also.

I like linearity, speed, big dynamic contrasts, focus, 3D holographic imaging, bass slam, and vibrancy. No glare, spit, graininess, or flab. Simply put, I want it crystal clear and like live music. Well, like I envision live music should be at least ;)

The 10M 12AX7 and CBS 7318 really nail this better than any other of these I have tried, and they translate the same to every piece of gear I have tried them in that uses 12AX7/12AU7's. They just so happen to be very tough long lasting tubes that are very rare and pricey. Damn the luck :)

Best thing? Find gear that does not use a 12AX7 or a 12AU7. Lots of better tubes out there that are much cheaper than the best 12AX7/12AU7. How's that?
Thankyou Paul79, I will get in touch soon, great read on the 12ax7/12au7 tubes, so to get an idea of what you like, whats your favorite small signal tube for sound quality?
let's hope you do not say you like 6h30 tubes, LOL!, those are the worst sounding tubes, I do not like any russian tubes for that matter, always an imeadiate in your face sound with a small sound stage, some may like that sound, garbage tubes to me!
Well my Aesthetix Romulus uses 12ax7 tubes and sounds glorious! Used in gain stage and 6922 as output. Best digital I have owned.
Paul79,

I have just received some confirmatory feedback to what you say from a trusted industry participant in the high end of the market:

"I am not a fan of the ecc83 and 12x type tubes as i consider all double triodes flawed by design (two amplification elements are never properly
aligned when used in parallel and crosscouple into each other when used for different channels or amplification stages).

That said, this is the extreme purist point of view.

A well made amp using them in parallel config. can still deliver , even so a similar amp with single stage tubes of comparable design will add more performance on top.

So single element triodes or pentodes come to mind (most state of the art recording consoles of the golden age used pentodes, only later double triodes, as they were cheaper.

I would look for a pre with a minimum number of tubes in signal path and with the best tube power supply. According to my research the more tubes in the signal path, the more "fuzzy haze" .

However, if you use digital only, I would got straight out of the dac into the power amp. If the tube output stage of the dac is properly designed for direct drive, any additional preamp should not be necessary and in fact will
add haze and time- smear to the sound.