Jazz for aficionados

McBride:
Lord, Lord. I know he must have a grand plan.

This is what McBride said:

"But what I find some times in jazz is that you’ll find somebody can get up there and frankly, because I know my training as a musician, I know they’re completely bullshitting. And there’s always some critic who says, “Oh, he’s not bullshitting. He’s just expressing himself in a different kind of way.” And I’ll go, “That’s bullshit!” and now they’re creating a space for this person to garner an audience of confused people who don’t really know the difference: “Some critic said this guy can play. I don’t think he sounds as good as Sonny Rollins but someone said he’s a genius so I better pay attention to him.” Meanwhile, guys who are obviously greater at what they do--it’s almost as if people think anyone can do that. Now this sort of abstract, strange playing that no one can understand, some people now think that’s what they need to get with. Ahh, man".

THIS IS THE ESSENCE OF THE ENTIRE ARTICLE:
" And there’s always some critic who says, “Oh, he’s not bullshitting. He’s just expressing himself in a different kind of way.” And I’ll go, “That’s bullshit!” and now they’re creating a space for this person to garner an audience of confused people who don’t really know the difference: “Some critic said this guy can play. I don’t think he sounds as good as Sonny Rollins but someone said he’s a genius so I better pay attention to him.”

Check out the phrase 'creating space' for the noise makers to the detriment of Jazz and real players. Perfectly expressed!!!.

Cheers

I agree; perfectly expressed and no different than anything I said. I am simply adding that it can't be stopped; it's the way it always has been and always will be. Only solution is for the public to educate itself and be able to make its own decisions. Bitching and moaning about a particular sad state of affairs seldom accomplishes anything. The "danger" that I am referring to I have seen in this thread several times. A worthy player is dismissed as a noisemaker and lumped in with the bullshitters simply because the style is not appreciated or understood. Seems to me that anyone who is serious about this music should promote its growth and appreciate the fact that it will evolve; not stifle it. The space created by the clueless critic then becomes far less relevant. Some of the bullshitters may not entirely disappear from the scene, but the good guys will rise to the top.

Rok, you didn't even recognize that my very last post before this one, was in response to your play list that you posted on 02-07-15.

People have been arguing over this since the start of Jazz. This open letter was written by Mingus, after he said, in a blind listening test, that Dave Brubeck and Paul Desmond were not doing it right.

http://www.mingusmingusmingus.com/mingus/an-open-letter-to-miles-davis-

I believe the open minded listener, Frogman spoke of, is more, by nature open to BS. The narrower minded person has it easy to say everything, not to his liking, is BS.

I think , most of the time its like Pornography, I know it when I see it. ;)

Hello O, Glad to see you!

O-10:

I did notice your post. I just post that stuff from time to time, to have it handy when I am browsing the net. It is not Jazz, and I always indicate that it is not an official post.

The Winans and Marvis made this the definitive version of "I'll Take you There". Takes a lot, to out do Pops and the girls. Bought that one at the PX at Fort Rucker, Alabama. Don't know why it sticks in my mind.

"Disco Lady" takes me back to "The World Cup Club" in Uijeongbu, Korea. I can still see Miss Kim, Miss Park, and Miss Lee, et al, doing it on the dance floor. Those where the days.(1976) This is the city where the MASH unit of Movie and TV fame was located. The compound my unit was located on, served as the Morgue during the war.

Rod Stewart is one of the few Rockers I can tolerate. Always liked his voice. You hvae to hear him thru JBL's at volume!

I just like to watch the antics of En Vouge. Those babes act/sing, as if they are ready to throw down!

Glad you enjoyed them.

Cheers