Jazz for aficionados

Rok, although I know what you mean in regard to Miles and Trane, here's something quite different from the standard Trane you might like, and even get in the mood for from time to time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmr33FfhnHY

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Frogman, that is definitely one of my favorite albums by "Trane", and here is one of my favorite cuts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m2HN2y0yV8

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Here's someone we haven't touched on much, "Urbie Green", known as the “trombonist’s trombonist,” is one of the true greats of jazz, among the elite of the world’s trombone players. Urbie Green has toured with Woody Herman, Gene Krupa and Frankie Carle and has been cited numerous times in Down Beat magazine’s annual critics awards. Green has also established an extensive career as a free-lance trombonist for recording artists such as Count Basie, Frank Sinatra, Leonard Bernstein, Louis Armstrong and others. He has approximately 30 albums under his own name, appeared in the film version of The Benny Goodman Story and appears at major jazz festivals. Lately his solo career has taken him around the world three times in as many years. Urbie’s collaboration with Martin design engineers has led to innovations in the comfort of the hand brace and slide, an improved water hole with a curved key that empties easily in one turn rather than several shakes, and a goose neck that is chrome-plated to prevent players’ clothing from becoming marked by brass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-Q30Zq3IHU

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Since I'm on Trombones, how about J. J. Johnson. Although you don't get the best music, these "You tubes" are almost as good as going to a live set because you get the best seat in the house. I'll leave it to you guys to submit the best music by J. J.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKAd2sogy9w

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Frogman, I can certainly see why "Slide" is one of your favorite trombone players; like you say, he's got the "tromboniest" sounding trombone. Without a doubt, he will be added to the collection. That's probably how he got the nickname "Slide".

There are times when I wasn't sure whether or not I was listening to a trumpet or trombone, now I know why; Bill Watrous's trombone sounds somewhat like a trumpet, that does require a lot of speed, both of these guys will be added.

Bennie Green is probably my favorite trombone player, that's because "Soul Stirrin" is one of my favorite tunes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aeVlQtsaFE

Can you identify who's blowing that first sax solo. Although I've got the LP, there are two tenors; Billy Root, and Gene Ammons, that's why I can't tell who's blowing the first solo. While I'm certainly familiar with "Jug", this might be the only album I've got "Billy Root" on. Can you shed some light on this?

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I'm falling in love with these trombones all over again; here's one by the "Jazz Crusaders" featuring Wayne Henderson on trombone, it's titled "Young Rabbits".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA7f9HIXox4

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After experiencing so much failure in regard to new music and new people, I'm resigned to the past; thanks to "you tube", that's been quite pleasurable.

When I go back in time, I also discover very pleasant, long ago forgotten memories; consequently, it's a win win.

Your analysis from a musicians perspective also adds something brand new to old music. There are so many fantastic cuts from "The Crusaders" in this era, I don't know where to stop; they even make "Eleanor Rigsby" brand new.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Jb72PZAls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G5YxVx__rU

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Rok, just under the box where you post your response it tells you how to use "mark up tags".

Rok, click on where it says "mark up tags" just below the response box for instructions. On the third line is where you go for music, you do this before and after the address. Although it wont show on the submission, we'll be able to just click it on.

Rok, you got it, Bobby McFerrin clicked on real nicely, he's all over the place; as a matter of fact he just popped up on my play list from the "Round Midnight" soundtrack.

That's a real nice piece by Freddy Hubbard, and Kenny Garret shines on flute, he's gotten very creative lately. Mark Templeton is new to me, is he still active? Who's the bass player?

Now that you got those mark up tags straightened out, I'll be looking for more good music like this.

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Ackman, when an under endowed gentleman went to a house of ill repute in "Nawlins", he was asked "Who you gonna please with that little thang?", and he responded with great gusto "Me!", and so it is with music.

As I see it, the biggest problem with current music of almost all genres are the similarities in each genre; it's too much alike; meaning the last current jazz record sounds like the one before, and that goes for rock as well; I can hardly tell one rock record from another, and I won't even mention "Rap".

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I am so happy that my assumption that I had everything worth having by Oliver Nelson and Horace Silver was wrong.

Ackman, here's some new music that appeals to me; Jesse Cook, cooks on several different continents at the same time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWjgyFvZ2OA

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Ackman, all of these people are new to me, but I like them all; no, I don't have a problem with new music or new people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EumHcn1rJZM

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Acman, your last post seemed to imply we had some differences in regard to music. That caused me to go through your musical submissions and find where we differed. After I went through them, the only thing I could find is the fact that I don't like a lot of short clipped phrases, although Miles seemed to like them. If we differ, could you submit a musical example?

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Rok, I thoroughly enjoyed all your vocal submissions, and I'm still a ladies man, just don't tell my wife; she'll have a hard time trying to stop laughing.

Keep em coming, you're making my day.

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Acman, no you didn't misinterpret, my statements are contradictory; but when speaking of things that are in shades of gray, as opposed to black and white, that happens; now I'll try to clarify.

It seems the negative aspect of "new jazz" is it's conformity to some preconceived notion of what jazz is, or is not; that gives it a "uniformity" I don't like; but even that seems to apply primarily to "American jazz". Musicians from other countries do their thing, and allow us to define it any way we choose.

Since our taste in music is quite similar, our differences are the result of communication limitations. Like you said, it would all be clarified over a beer.

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"Rags And Old Iron": When I was like 5, an old man with a cart that rode on two wobbly squeaking wagon wheels, had two long poles attached to it, which he stood between and pulled down the alley behind us, while crying "rags and old iron".

When I was like 20, the first love of my life went to the altar with someone else, and I cried, while singing "Rags And Old Iron".

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Frogman, you want it you got it; Kenny Garret, "Beyond The Wall". This is my favorite tune.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hvDeRaNkSQ

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Acman, you and Rok are both correct; while it's not so apparent on records, at a live performance it was quite clear; "Trane" would take off to parts unknown, he seemed to feel, "If you wanted to hear what you heard on a record, you would have stayed home and played the record".

Tyner would stick with "Trane" as long as he could, but was quick to realize when it was futile, and that's when he would just make a solid foundation for the rest of the group to get behind.

According to Miles, Trane played for Trane on live sets. When this happened, only the musicians in the audience seemed to know what Trane was doing and where he was going.

Yes, Tyner was the glue that kept things together when Trane decided to go on one of his excursions, and Trane must have known that when the muse hit him, and he took off to another galaxy, that McCoy Tyner would keep things together down here on the ground; otherwise, as Rok stated, the music would have slipped into the abyss, and Trane knew that Tyner wasn't going to let that happen.

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As hard as I looked, I couldn't find any examples of the Trane I was talking about. This was a hip night club with a lot of musicians in the audience, so maybe Trane was showing them something special, but he never went quite that far out on any of the other live sets. The last 4 minutes of this set for 20 minutes is about as close as I can get.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03juO5oS2gg



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Rok, you put me in a Brazilian groove, here's one by Baden Powel, sung by sexy Manuela Mamali.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ0zcOe-SGY

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Rok, once the full impact of that video hit me, it almost brought tears to my eyes. This is the first time I ever saw all those stars together, making some of the best jazz that's ever been made, on one of the best jazz albums that's ever been made.

Jazz performances are like snowflakes, they can never be duplicated. No matter how many times the title track "Moanin" was made, and no matter who made it, none of them can compare to that performance at that time.

Each "jazz classic" is a part of my history; that was released just before I joined the Air Force, and no one knows better that you about the good times a young service man can have. That album could serve as the soundtrack for a movie of my life at that time; while there was some "Moanin", there were also quite a few "Bettys" that came along to brighten up the day.

And to think Lee Morgan was not yet 21 when that album was made, is an indication of his musical accomplishments that were to come.

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Roland Kirk was one of the most unusual, inventive and creative musicians ever; he drew inspiration from old music and musicians to make new music, as well as play instruments I've never heard of, and play three or more at the same time.

"The Delta Rhythm Boys and the foxes by a landslide". Who said life was fair?

Anita O'Day is the jazziest jazz singer ever; she sang a song I've never liked, but when she sang it, it knocked me dead. The lady got style; the way she walks, talks, everything about about her says she is one jazzy lady, did you dig the way she scatted on "Tea For Two"?

"Afro Cuban All Stars", I'll get back to you on that one.

Frogman, could you lead us into new Cuban music and musicians?

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Brazil is really a very fascinating country in regard to African rhythms. I try to get to the source of these rhythms in Africa, but they no longer exist on the continent they came from, they only exist in Brazil; an example of that is the "Capoeira" rhythms in Brazil, it's a Brazilian martial art that combines elements of dance, acrobatics and music, and is sometimes referred to as a game.

Here's Capoeira:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8xxgFpK-NM

What I like best about Capoeira music is the Berimbau, here's Baden Powel with Berimbau:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n1R86mC6aA

Here we have "Virginia Rodrigues" accompanied by berimbau, her voice even sounds like the instrument, but with a profound sadness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx2E5F_VYkA

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My posts came in out of sequence, enjoy, but disregard Brazil, stay on Cuba.

Thank you.

Thank you Chazro, I'll look into all of your recommendations.

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I've done everything possible, except chain myself to a post, in order to stay off my political soapbox, but no longer can I restrain myself.

In regard to Cuba, I was sitting on my duffel bag awaiting orders to deploy to Florida during the Cuban missile crisis, consequently, I know more about it than most people; but it's way past time to drop that hatchet, and a sack of other hatchets in order to resume normal relations with Cuba. That's affecting all of the poor people of Cuba, as well as the poor people here. Everybody should be tired of silly politics that's only benefiting the "very wealthy", and harming even the upper middle class because they depend on the lower middle class when they're in business, or need to sell something.

Thank you for enduring my rant.

Rok, in order to understand my specific comments in regard to Africa, the berimbau, and capoeria, we have to focus on the history of "Bahia"; but first, I would like to respond to some of Frogman's comments that are related.

There is no doubt that many different kinds of rhythms, and drumming that existed in Africa, no longer exist there, but can be found in other places. How is this possible?

Before slavery, Africans were living all over the continent in villages, if they lived far away from powerful countries and tribes, they lived in peace; but when slavery put a price on African heads, powerful countries, and tribes captured and sold them. Different villages had different drumming and rhythms, they were exported west, first to Cuba, which was "the board of trade" for slaves, and then to wherever their final destination was to be. Things that were unique to many villages, no longer exist on the continent of Africa, but they can be found where those slaves final destination was to be.

For my specific comments, we have to focus on the history of "Bahia". It was a center of sugar cultivation; integral to this was the importation of a vast number of slaves; more than 37% of all slaves taken from Africa were sent to Brazil, and processed in Bahia, and that's another reason for the unique rhythms that can be found in Bahia, but not in Africa. I don't mean for this to be a diversion, our focus is still on Cuban music.

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Rok, now I remember "Terje Rypdal"; he takes you to the "Misty Mid Region of Weir", that's someplace in my imagination which exists when I hear Terje. It's a place that only exists in another dimension; now you got it.

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Frogman, thanks for putting my very same thoughts so eloquently into words.

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Rok, our collections are a treasure indeed. Although I've been searching and not finding, it's my nature to search, and I'll continue; at least I'm finding interesting African Culture that probably existed before slavery; besides unique rhythms, each village had different dances.

You wouldn't be referring to Miles aunt, "Madam Corrine", would you?

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Cuong Vu got it right about Wynton and Miles according to me; he is preaching the gospel of Orpheus, although his music has yet to reflect the gospel of Orpheus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46T4YEyX1d8

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I'm on a roll Rok, "Git down Charlie Brown"! boogie with a beat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEWd01Oe3WI

A man and his oud; "Oud you excuse me while I go find my oud".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLfpyWDOjzY&list=PLTFHVBXgpQpa5VPsACI1WdE-pYzLkjdo5

Did I ever tell you about "The Oud and The Pussycat".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkF_z9aumVM

Not one written note or word, and the music is the same in New Orleans, and Brazil, as it was hundreds of years ago in Dahomey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb8DlC3utYE

Miles aunt, who was a kind of Voodoo queen, thought he was weird, because as soon he walked into her office, she started lighting candles and smoking voodoo cigarettes. "Ain't that a bitch; she thought I was weird"; quote, the very normal Miles.

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No Rok, his aunt, not his mama; Miles don't play that; you'll have them coming back after me. I'll wake up in the middle of the night, and there him and his aunt Corrine will be standing in the middle of the room looking mean, and bad. (glad we got that straightened out)

I'll get back to you on the Herby Mann CD's

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Rok, these CD's are from "Collectables", they have 2 LP's on 1- CD. The one you want is col-cd-6830. WWW. oldies. com is the address.

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Acman, although I wanted you to lead the parade this time, I know how stressful even a big move up can be to an audiophile, so I don't know if you can honor my request, but here's how it would have went; I believe you collect jazz from Africa, that would be in the category of new, or relatively unknown. Hugh Masekela and Miriam Makeba would be excluded in this category because they're so well known, and what we want are relatively unknown or new musicians.

Since you'll be leading the parade, other categories you like would be optional as well, but what I'm trying to do is keep us all in the same category, even if for a short while.

Rok, if you have any suggestions that will keep us in the same category for a short while, I would be glad to hear them.

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Frogman, I was just joking about the drum, but seriously, how long did it take for African slaves to cease their "Africanity" (new word) and simply become their own people. Even "genetically", some African Americans are more European than African. Remember, one drop of African blood constitutes being an African American; some African Americans have blue eyes and straight hair, they can pass for white. There is nothing that can be traced back to present day African Americans, and that is what makes "Bird" so unique, when you listen to "Bird" as intently as I do, a whole new music was born, I call it "Bird Bop".

Now when you use the word INFLUENCE, almost nothing can be invalidated; however, I can separate Bird from Trane, when Trane is blowing; there was more of Bird in early Trane, but before he died, there was pure "Trane", without any Bird.

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Frogman, we've been into the evolution of jazz in relation to Africa, from slavery to the present; I wonder how it would go if we went in reverse; I mean what music in Africa that has been influenced by jazz from here.

Acman could lead this parade, I believe he has been into African oriented jazz from Africa.

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Schubert, the title of this thread on the music forum is "Jazz For Aficionados". I'm still looking for your posts where you submitted music, could you direct me?

Rok, you didn't comment on the dance links: 09-07-14 : I consider the last paragraph on that post an "unbelievable fact".

Rok, you and I both have shortcomings we'll have to live with, and accept. You have Attention Deficit Disorder, and I'm allergic to what I call "High Class Culture". You just go with the flow, and make your usual contributions; country by country sounds good. I'll wait for Acman's input, sum it all up, and lead the parade.

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Acman, your post is exactly what I was expecting. After my last move, none of my tube gear was working. Previously, I had sold an Audiolab preamp, and the guy I sold it to, said there was nothing wrong with it, but it didn't quite suite his taste, and asked for his money back; I obliged and that turned out most fortuitous, because it was the only thing working after the move.

Do what you can when you can, we'll understand.

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A professional jazz musician who lived with me for one entire summer, never practiced during that summer. He had been playing keyboards since he was a child in church, and his mother was an organist. Playing three gigs a week was practice enough, according to me. I didn't have an organ or piano, so he couldn't practice. I have his records, and he played better that summer than during any time in his life. Unfortunately, that wasn't recorded, and it was much different than any of the records I have. Since "Bird" practiced I'm sure jazz musicians practice, his case was unique.

Back on the track; Cuba's music is like a Cuban history book if you know how to read it. Even Ricky Ricardo, a fictional character on "I love Lucy", is part of the US, and Cuba's history, if you know how to read it. Cuba's present music is an unfolding event that's a reflection of "The new Cuba", which is partially why I'm so interested in this "new music".

As everyone knows by now, although I'm a fossil who likes fossil music, this doesn't stop me from enjoying and appreciating new music, especially that from Cuba. I'm also enjoying these discussions.

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A professional jazz musician who lived with me for one entire summer, never practiced during that summer. He had been playing keyboards since he was a child in church, and his mother was an organist. Playing three gigs a week was practice enough, according to me. I didn't have an organ or piano, so he couldn't practice. I have his records, and he played better that summer than during any time in his life. Unfortunately, that wasn't recorded, and it was much different than any of the records I have. Since "Bird" practiced I'm sure jazz musicians practice, his case was unique.

Back on the track; Cuba's music is like a Cuban history book if you know how to read it. Even Ricky Ricardo, a fictional character on "I love Lucy", is part of the US, and Cuba's history, if you know how to read it. Cuba's present music is an unfolding event that's a reflection of "The new Cuba", which is partially why I'm so interested in this "new music".

As everyone knows by now, although I'm a fossil who likes fossil music, this doesn't stop me from enjoying and appreciating new music, especially that from Cuba. I'm also enjoying these discussions.

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Rok, thank you for that piece of fascinating history on Valaida Snow that I never even heard of, which is something this aficionado finds hard to believe; that I never heard of it I mean. Please continue with fantastic, almost unknown people and events of jazz history that have probably been forgotten.

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Rok, fossils still like to look at foxes; although I noticed the audience was quietest when she was just moving and not singing.

Well folks, apparently it's time to get back to our regularly scheduled program, unless someone has more to add on Cuba.

Rok, am I ever glad I still have my Miriam Makeba records. When I tried to replace them with CD's, I found they don't exist. Her best records were made about the time she made that clip. My research person told me some were only released in Europe, and are very expensive; I didn't ask, "How expensive"?

If anyone has anything to add to the Cuban dialogue, fine, otherwise we'll get back on the tracks.

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For Frogman, and other adventurous souls who like "free jazz". "John Coltrane offering, live at Temple University", is the title; this is the frenetic expression of how much more Coltrane had to say on "My Favorite Things". This fits the description of the live set I went to, and it contains 2 CD's. With 45 minutes of "My Favorite Things", they probably needed 3 CD's, but maybe 2 was sufficient.

I haven't tried, but I doubt if we can get a sample on "you tube", so somebody will have to buy and review "Offering" for the rest of us, and I nominate "Frogman".

Since no one could maintain interest in Cuba, we can move on and keep Cuba on the sidelines.

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How about a little "Dr. John" with his gri gri.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4J8VrprrGE

The doctor got a lot of good stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWvdO3l4_P8

Is this a change of pace or what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb8DlC3utYE

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That posting was so appropriate, you would have thought I read it a long time ago before I posted on Trane live.

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Those tunes and artists got their fair share of what I had to contribute.

I will definitely have to get "Nawlinz, Dis Dat, Or Dudda", that Monkey is super heavy, and definitely food for thot. We could most certainly have a long conversation on dat monkey speaking his mind.

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