kosst
Nothing you've said reflects understanding
That's because nothing I've said you understand. The field is 3D sound reproduction. |
@roger_paul
Hell, Roger! That's nothing new! Glad you built your first hi-fi system! The rest of us have been diggin on that for a looooong time! |
Randy-11, I LOVE it! Thanks for posting the link! |
Re Tenor Amplifier
"Anyone on this thread own one?
I noticed they are not cheap."
Tenor amps were not cheap twenty years ago. To say they are not cheap now is like saying the black hole in the center of the Milky Way is not small. The new Tenor 350M Haute Puissance (High Power) monoblocks are $90K.
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kosst
Glad you built your first hi-fi system!
Yeah that would be 1969 when I built my first tube amp. |
Fascinating... Valves to class D isn't a very common path. |
kosst
Your right about the not so common path but -
wrong about H-CAT It is not class D. |
@roger_paul
Sure it is! You can't run a linear power supply or a class A or AB amp in a box with no heatsinks or ventilation. The weight and appearance rule out linear circuits. |
Wouldn't a perfect amplifier also have infinite input impedance and zero output impedance?
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kosst
Sure it is! You can't run a linear power supply or a class A or AB amp in a box with no heatsinks or ventilation. The weight and appearance rule out linear circuits.
Wow you can tell all that just by looking at it? Very impressive. But wrong. Is this "opposite day" or something? |
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@roger_paul
I can! In fact, I can say almost anything I want because you can't prove me wrong. Without cooling though, there's absolute certainty what your output stage isn't. |
kosst
Without cooling though, there's absolute certainty what your output stage isn't.
Your absolute certainty is absolutely wrong. First you're criticizing my amp without hearing it and now you're telling me I have no heat sinks with seeing it. I don't think you are going to get away with that one. Its too easy to prove. (They are on the back) It idles at 30 wpc. Are you a remote viewer? |
@roger_paul
"It idles at 30 wpc."
I seriously doubt it. There's no way you have a passive sink on the rear capable of dissipating the kind of heat an output stage idling at that power level would throw off. And you haven't really proved there's one back there anyways. |
This thread - for better or worse - has become the poster child for what happens when you let the angry Juror from 12 Angry Men badger you with the old, "then, what about this, then what about that" routine. It’s the oldest scam in town. You can’t PROVE it!! Nobody has to prove anything. Duh! This behavior on this thread and many other threads appears to be nothing more than a desperate ploy for attention and an opportunity for rudeness and name calling. 😫 |
@roger_paul
I'm pretty sure everybody here has concluded you're a fraud. I think the Stereophile article summed it up best. That cracks me up because I hadn't seen it before I said I'd eat my short the day they reviewed your gear. Looks like my shorts are quite safe.
Just so I understand, you built your first amp in 1969, right? And in 48 years you haven't achieved any success or praise for your audio expertise, but you're about to teach the true greats in the field some big lessons, eh? Do you know how delusional that sounds? Stop doing this to yourself. We all see you have no clothes. Have the dignity to hide your shame.
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@geoffkait
"Nobody has to prove anything. Duh!"
Hardly a stunning statement from the inventor of the Clever Little Clock and Codename Blue Meanies. |
Costco, you are a wannabe who hasn’t done anything. Little boy, little stick, big mouth.
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@geoffkait
Big talk from the king of all snake oil sellers. You really should try working with Roger.
"H-CAT Amplifiers! Now with Brilliant Pebbles and Morphic Message Labels!" |
You’re not the first wannabe that tried to hump my leg. Go ahead, knock yourself out. 🐩 |
@geoffkait
Awwww! Ya see! That’s why we get along so well! You say totally crazy things like you totally believe them, and you’re not bothered at all that you’re a laughing stock! Roger there is all "I invented imaging!" and is real serious about his fantasies. You’re more light-hearted, Geoff. But just know, when your leg gets wet from me humping it, that’s really piss from me laughing so hard. |
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kosst And in 48 years you haven't achieved any success or praise for your audio expertise, but you're about to teach the true greats in the field some big lessons, eh? As a matter of fact - Yes. This brings us back to the egg on your face moment that's coming down the pike like an 18 wheeler. Please kosst for Gods sake man - you are in a nose dive like you have no idea. You are making it worse on yourself. Think about this for a moment. Just humor me. What if everything I've told you is true and accurate? Including that there are no designers that are even close to creating what I have made. Wouldn't that be something? The good news (for audiophiles) is that it really is here. On that note I would suggest that we call a truce on beating a dead horse because its getting nowhere fast. Lets wait and see what happens next and then you can react.
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@roger_paul
No. I don't think so, Roger. I don't like you, and I don't like you because I think you're a liar. There is some debate as to whether you're smart enough to realize you're full of crap. I think you're a liar committed to a series of misunderstandings because you've decided to trademark that misunderstanding and call it "H-CAT". Set aside all of your technical claims that to this point haven't withstood scrutiny and the most basic claims of your system make no sense. Your system reproduces 3D sounds for instance. It's like you honestly don't know that's what most of us out here are experiencing with the gear we've got. You present the concept like it's some epic breakthrough to a world that's never experienced such a thing. WE HAVE. I'm about to again in a little while when I plop myself down in front of the rig.
Your confusion seems to begin there, with the kind of stereo imaging two channel aficionados have long expected from gear, and it only explodes into more and more nonsensical theories and explanations that both defy comprehension and violate the laws of physics. I think you speak in the cryptic jargon you use because you haven't researched the phenomenon you think you're explaining. You arrogantly presume you've stumbled onto some new branch of physics or something and have the audacity to invent the language. The problem is that you can't even set forth the mathematical theory for what you claim you're doing. You can't even vaguely describe the circuit. You can't compose your explanations in scientific terms.
Rather than accept the onslaught of valid and well reasoned criticism brought before you, you hunker down even more. You bury yourself deeper in your nonsensical terminology and misunderstandings. You make unequivocal technical claims, but feel you have no obligation to prove those claims. What branch of science or research is that acceptable? "Nowhere" is the answer. It's an unacceptable attitude and course of action for an expert and professional.
And nowhere is pretty much the only place you're going to go with this stuff. So take your cheap shots, cast your insults, make it personal, or even threaten me. We know what you are, Roger. YOU have revealed that yourself. I've merely given you the ample opportunity to do so. That's been my only goal here. |
kosst Rather than accept the onslaught of valid and well reasoned criticism brought before you, you hunker down even more. Oh you mean like - I don't like you because I think you're a liar. Or There is some debate as to whether you're smart enough to realize you're full of crap. Or I'm pretty sure everybody here has concluded you're a fraud
Or We all see you have no clothes. It sounds like you have quite a crowd there - who are you "debating" with? The voices in your head? You brag you work in values of picovolts, but you can't prove it. I have to admit you might have me on that one. You arrogantly presume you've stumbled onto some new branch of physics or something and have the audacity to invent the language
The results I have gotten are from my endless hours of dedication to a single concept. I did not "stumble" into anything. The final circuit I ended up with was my target from the beginning - not an accident. I have figured out the correct configuration of the right components to produce live music. I was able to do this simply because I knew it was possible. This body of work includes what I have learned about how the ear-brain perceives something as "live" That understanding has helped shape the concept and implementation of an automatic focus system. And now all that work has paid off. The future got here sooner that you thought. Sorry but just like Hillary - you going to have to get over it.
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kosst You present the concept like it's some epic breakthrough to a world that's never experienced such a thing I know that is hard to swallow but yes that pretty much sums it up. On several occasions there have been people who after listening to such a system have had tears of joy. Only live music can touch that nerve.
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@roger_paul
"I know that is hard to swallow but yes that pretty much sums it up.
On several occasions there have been people who after listening to such a system have had tears of joy. Only live music can touch that nerve."
News flash: Nothing new! I haven't spent as much as you amp alone costs and I've achieved that. Sounds like a rip-off. |
kosst - its really been great chatting with you but I need to get back to work. We are not getting anywhere with this argument and I'm certainly not going to change my position since I'm the one with the goods.
The difference is that I have the "before and after" - you only have the "before" and have not heard the "after" and so you cannot comment on it with any authority.
I really do wish you the best. |
SNAKE OIL. You've got nothing! And you can't PROVE you do. |
The answer to the question of this thread is, Yes!, As a mater of fact, the technology is going backward's with the invention of class D. However, company's like Gryphon is pushing the technology of class A. The fact you see class D is a money making scheme, this is a very cheap implementation, the profits are astounding to say the least, Class A is extremely more expensive, the profit margin is far less unless you charge the amount of burying a cheap fix up and resale house!, the good ole day's of class A costing below $30,000 is over, I remember Krell, pass labs, Boulder, Mark Levinson, Jeff Roland, etc... High end audio in general these day's is over priced. |
Let’s get serious for a second. High end amplifier manufacturers really need to do something about toxic transformer-generated magnetic fields (magnetic field countermeasures), directionality of all wire, not only the wire in transformers, but in fuses and the power cord. Also, they need to implement effective EMI/RFI countermeasures, damping for transformers, maybe decouple the transformers entirely, or put them outboard. Whose brilliant idea was it to bolt the things directly to the chassis, anyway? Not too swift. And those capacitors also, need to be damped. Hel-loo! So, the moral of this story: $90K Tenors or $200K Dart Zeels are off my Christmas shopping list until they solve those issues. You can’t just sweep this stuff under the carpet, folks. Hel-ooo! You can paint a turkey different colors but it’s still a turkey. 🦃
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@audiolabyrinth
I'll agree with that. I think class A is the only way to go. I don't think you need to spend $30,000 to get a decent class A amp though. That's why I build my own.
@geoffkait
Guess you've never seen the two chassis Pass amps that put the power supply in a completely separate box. We already know wire and fuses aren't directional so that's not a problem. The problem with capacitor microphonics would require internal damping which is something makers are already aware of. You have to beat on a electrolytic or film cap pretty damn hard to make it produce the most minor fluctuations, and I've seen it done, so that's not really a problem. I recall your ideas about how circuit boards should be mounted and their idiotic. Can't you just go away with your dopey ideas and claims? |
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costco_emoji, good reaction! I assume you are enjoying another one of your DMT flashbacks. Obviously I’m not referring to transformers that are already outboard, Mr. Smarty Pants. I’m not surprised you didn’t know that all capacitors induce vibration in themselves. That’s why damping them is a good idea. I realize you’re a newbie and a wannabe but you shouldn’t let your emotions go crazy. As I said previously anyone who argues that air in a listening room moves at some great speed is not exactly in normal reality. If you wish to become the resident know it all I'd say you've already made it. 😀 |
@geoffkait
Good job, fool. Can’t actually attack me for what I did say so you just make it up. Go figure. I’m the guy that’s been running around championing the case for capacitor burn in on account of the small vibrations passing an AC signal though them induces. Those are internal vibrations though, and you’re only going to damp them internally, not be mounting the cap on springs. That’s the big selling point for ELNA caps, don’t ya know? Any other stupidity to spew, Mr. Magic Rocks? |
costco, but I DID attack you for what you said. It’s very easy to do. You're the resident name caller. And quite a sophomoric one at that. I am starting to suspect reading comprehension might be another issue for you. You know, they’re doing wonders with anti psychotics these days. Check it out.
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I agree with Atmasphere. Many designs are nothing to write home about, made to a price point very similar to each other. Other designs use better parts caps, resistors, custom transformers, etc. Measurements mean nothing to me as I cannot hear the differences (general statement). I recently made a Pass labs clone using better parts and it sounded really, really good, we were surprised how good it came out. Some designers are exceptional and go the extra mile. Making something cheap and real good is a challenge if you use custom parts though IMO. I have yet to hear a SS amp sound like tubes depending on the design IMO. I heard a FM Acoustic power amp and that was the closest SS amp that I really liked. Very expensive. No special parts so we figured that they matched up the parts very closely, but I don't really know. In designing products, I can basically tell you how something will sound by the design, the parts used, etc. I listen so much for changes, etc., that I really never hear the music for enjoyment now a days. So far in my limited listening to class D designs, I can hear the sound and while I can enjoy it, it is really not what I prefer to listen to. Not saying that I have heard enough but knowing that design I can hear what I do not like in that design. But what I prefer may be different than what you prefer and its all good! That is all I got! Happy Listening. |
@geoffkait
Ok, Mr. Magic Rocks. Go play with your mystic morphic fields now and let the big people talk about reality.
@bigkidz
It's hard to build a Pass amp and not develop an appreciation for the careful consideration put into the design, even if the topology isn't something radical. I think that's where the real art is. |
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@geoffkait
Ok, Mr. Magic Rocks. Go play with your mystic morphic fields now and let the big people talk about reality.
kross_emoji, anyone who actually believes the air in a listening room is moving at 1000 mph is not exactly living in reality. No offense, maybe you’re just pretending to be dense. Hey, that rhymes! 😄 And anyone who believes the velocity of sound is not constant in a given listening room is not exactly living in reality. Now I will let the Big Baby continue his badgering and name calling. Would it be a fair statement to say you’re ignorant of crystals and Morphic fields? Maybe a little afraid of what you’re ignorant of? No need to answer, it’s only a rhetorical question.
"Knowledge is is what’s left after you subtract everything you forgot from school." 😳
- audiophile axiom
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@geoffkait
Geeze, Mr. Magic Rocks! Can't seem to forget the physics of air, can you? Sorry, but that's a completely valid and required component in the calculation of mass and sound moving though it. It's funny how you ridicule me for reality and defend you fantasy fields. You're the one who claims to tweak audio and video gear over the phone. Not me. You're insane. |
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@geoffkait
Geeze, Mr. Magic Rocks! Can’t seem to forget the physics of air, can you? Sorry, but that’s a completely valid and required component in the calculation of mass and sound moving though it. It’s funny how you ridicule me for reality and defend you fantasy fields. You’re the one who claims to tweak audio and video gear over the phone. Not me. You’re insane.
Ha ha! You pulled out all the stops that time, kross. I bet I know what's coming next. I always enjoy these extreme reactions from newbies. No worries, I realize you're physics challenged, so here’s a little tutorial for you. It’s not difficult.
Get smart on speed of sound:
What changes the speed of sound?
In fact, assuming an ideal gas, the speed of sound c depends on temperature only, not on the pressure or density (since these change in lockstep for a given temperature and cancel out). Air is almost an ideal gas.
have a nice hair day
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@geoffkait
Temperature is merely a byproduct of energy contained within a volume under pressure. Temperature is a lot easier to say than describing the average velocity of individual molecules. So while you claim air is a motionless mass, here you are trying to explain exactly why it's not and how important that fact is.
You mind maybe picking a side and sticking with it, Mr. Magic Rocks? |
kross_emoji, if the air in the room had any motion your hair (assuming you have any hair) would be blowing in the wind. Besides the speed of sound at Standard temperature pressure is calculated for STILL air, not moving air. If the air is moving the speed of sound is a different number. Hel-loo! Thus, you argument is a logical fallacy. Case closed. Go back to school, get money back.
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@geoffkait
All you're talking about is relativistic motion to other objects. You seem to have no grasp on the science. It's all kinetic motion. You make distinctions where none exist. You don't seem to understand the mechanism that drives sound through air. Go back to your magic rocks and blue dots. |
kross_emoji, you are a little slow on the uptake today. The speed of sound is just that, relativistic motion, the speed of acoustic waves relative to the speed of air. Duh! This is what happens when you go to a school that advertises on the back of matchbook covers. |
@geoffkait
Yeah... It's the exact same thing as temperature. Glad you can see how the motion of individual molecules drives the whole thing. |
But the air is still still. It’s not moving. Have you forgotten your argument already? This was Roger Paul’s concept, preserve the relative motion of the acoustic waves and the air in the room, nothing to do with temperature. We don’t care what the temperature is. We don’t care because it’s irrelevant. Even if you want to use some bizarre example like the room is in a NASA wind tunnel and the air is heated to 120 degrees the principle still applies, the speed of sound is the relative motion of acoustic waves through air. It's a timing thing not a temperature thing.
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How about a rule that after x posts by a 'Goner on a single question, no more? How do these people find the time to engage in such pointlessness?
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@lloydc
I have a dull, sedentary job. That’s how I do it. Geoff sells magic rocks, blue and green spots, copper flying saucers, and other snake oils. I suspect that’s a real laid back gig. You gotta check out his site if you haven’t seen it. It’s hilarious. |
I was just getting down to kross_emoji's level. If thy eye offend thee pluck it out. 👁 My job is setting the record straight. |
@geoffkait
That's the kind of light-hearted frivolity that makes me laugh! Keep it up! A bunch of us get a real kick out of your "Me and my snake oil are SERIOUS!" schtick. |
When you say "a bunch of us" I assume that means you and the other pseudo skeptics. Maybe you mean you and the other GED recipients.
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@geoffkait
Come on... GED jokes? You can do better than that! Where's all that wit and creative that brought the world the Teleportation Tweak? |
