Another sign SACD is dying

Well if you are right Tvad (we are all giving our best guess), then all the more reason to have an SACD (or universal) player because it may be 10 years + before a legitimate amount of music is cut for another hi-rez format. And it will be 10 years plus before SACD fades away (at least) assuming it will.

I don't know but a decade of my life has value. Is there anyone really waiting for another format?

Robm321, I don't agree with you about a 10+ year timeline, and this has never been part of the discussion as far as I'm aware.

I believe we have a disconnect because of semantics here. Let me be clear, and then I'm going to call it a day on this topic.

I'm not debating the necessity for creation of a new Hi Rez recording format. I don't necessarily believe the recording format used to create SACD silver discs - DSD, or whatever it is - is going to fade away, although in time it could be supplanted by a superior method. What I'm specifically referring to is the silver disc delivery method of the DSD recording...the SACD (Super Audio Compact Disc). I believe DSD audio could be, and will be delivered via another, less expensive method , in a very short amount of time...months, and certainly less than a year, and I base my supposition based on the current delivery of HDTV. All that is holding back delivery of DSD audio via broadband is available bandwidth and an apppropriate music file format. You're right, though, this is guesswork on my part. Isn't the bulk of what is being discussed here based on guesswork? Thus far, I have not read a single post written by an expert in marketing, production or delivery of music.

In my view, the SACD silver discs will decline, and eventually disappear as will Redbook CD silver discs, and DVD-A silver discs, and DVD silver discs, especially concerning audio-only recordings. Broadband delivery is the wave of the future, in my opinion. None of us knows how soon the transfer will be completed, but I'm betting it's sooner rather than later. One only has to look at the availability of USB connections on commercially produced DVD machines like those from Denon, and Cary (someone here mentioned the Cary, I believe) to know that even the hardware manufacturers are covering their bases and assisting the consumer with the inevitable transition.

So, to recap; I don't believe DSD recordings, on which SACD silver discs are based, are going away. I do believe production of the discs themselves will decline, as will Redbook CDs and other silver dics. And, I believe delivery of the DSD recordings (or other Hi Rex formats) will be done via broadband methods.

I hope I've made my position clearer.

This is not a Save-The-World discussion. It's been brain massaging entertainment, but it's time for me to change the channnel.

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PS, Sorry for the typos. Whatever happened to the edit feature?

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The flaw in your remarks Tvad is believing any industry moves that fast. The development of HDTV was appropriated by the legislature in the early '80's after not supporting the development of the semiconductor and losing countless dollars to Japan. Despite Federal funding, the universities were not able to produce an agreed upon format from which to develop until ten years later. Today there are more video formats battling it out than audio, and no clear path to HDTV in every home is seen by me.

Now you propose delivering audio through the same satellite network despite the inherent flaws they have encountered to date. Yes the technology is in place to do what you propose, but the logistics are another thing.

I also would like to draw your attention to Bill Gate's news conference a couple years back where he proposed ALL media will be run through the internet. He took the first step in that venture with the introduction of his beta program "Windows Media" which is now the standard operation system being sold to individuals. The same can be said for Steve Jobs with ipod. If you for one second believe these two men are on the wrong track, and your concept is the right track, then I must LOL. These two men will destroy music quality for all. Small labels will have no interest in fighting for satellite time and bandwidth when they already have a widely accepted system to deliver. SACD may die, but logic tell me SACD is the natural progression from DSD. The comment made that this is more work than vinyl is simply wrong. The recordings are more often than not being stored in DSD. Converting from DSD is no more work than vinyl, in fact it's less. DSD is SACD. As to getting approvals by the artists and working through royalties, that is no different from vinyl to disk, either way the legal arrangements agreed to by the artists must be followed.

So my belief is 180 degrees from yours, but for different reasons. Bill Gates owns the technology industry and controls the direction computers are going. The entertainment industry is too large for him to simply turn his back on. Now whether our data is send to our computer via fiber optics or satellite dishes makes little difference. The end location is a hard drive to store compressed files on. I challenge you to find me a computer that process audio at the EMM Meitner DAC quality. If it's out there, it is a long way from Best Buy, and the masses you discuss.

I have no reason to believe the computer (the future/ and present) file server for all our media will be developed to the degree our sound systems are. Hell some of us have power supplies on our DACs bigger than the computer boxes sitting under our desks.

So in summation I hardly see adding boxes to our electronics collections (boxes meaning satellite decoders. I assume the HDTV recorder will not do audio, and neither will do date) So I have more stuff to add to the VCR, DVD-V, processors, amps... No I think Gates has one box in mind. One computer with his operating system handling all information. My assumption is it will come through the internet, a land based system (for the most part) and the transfer of this date will eventually go through wire cables, fiber optic cables, satellite??? Steve Jobs appears to be focused on the portable information delivery system, and ????? has the satellite system. Best I can guess is those satellites will be quite busy once consumers demand a better phone system. Satellite phones are used all over the world, but not here, we have some goofy "cell" system that is so inherently flawed it is sickening. Sat phones, now that's the future.

jd

JD,

Then going 10 years out from a fully realized, all-in-one box solution, people will want to get back to the more "organic" quality of music and equipment that they "remembered as a kid back in '06". It will come full circle LOL :-)