Jazz for aficionados

At its most basic, what you and Rok don't seem to be able to grasp (and, actually, at this point of the protracted "argument", I believe its more a case of not wanting to) is the simple fact that the evolution of music forms is a continuum; they are not discreet separated steps.  As Alex correctly points out its all connected.  Do you really think that Bebop simply sprung up without connections to what came before it?  If you can't understand why something like Coleman Hawkins' famous and groundbreaking recording of Body And Soul with the departure from a traditional (swing) improvisation style, to the much more angular with advanced harmonic approach, then all I can say is that you have a lot more to consider; but, we knew that.  

**** Music can not, nor should it ever be approached from an intellectual stance. ****

False.  The enjoyment of music, NO, you are correct; not entirely, anyway.  That's  personal and if a particular listener happens to like something I consider bad for whatever reason, then so be it.  The analysis of music?  YES, YES, and YES.  And analyze is what we are doing with this topic.

**** Why would I speak to Billy Taylor or Wynton Marsalis about Bebop? When it was the first corner of jazz I explored. ****

BINGO!!!!!  We are finally getting somewhere.  Answer?  Because, as someone no longer posting here (yes, one of those) once wrote: it seems that it is always about you, O-10.  Why should it matter one bit that bebop was the "first corner of jazz that you explored"?  Why is it that you think your own necessarily limited experience with this means that this is the universal truth about such a complicated topic?  No offense meant, but....man! 

Rok, nice try, but most of what you wrote has little if anything to do with what we are discussing.  Beethoven?  Really?  Kindly explain where ANY significant African influence or exposure to, of any kind, would have existed in Beethoven'a sphere of influence to have, well.....influenced him.  Obviously, none.  Re you "logical point of view #2":

African slaves were NOT stripped of everything African.  In fact,  New Orleans, the birth place of jazz, was the only place where they were allowed to keep their drums.  So......duh!  You don't want to consider any of this?  That's fine; believe what you will.  Much more that can be said on the subject, but as Forest Gump so succinctly said: "I'm pretty tired, I think I'll go home now".  

I feel better now 😀

**** Same with the African slaves. They were taught Christianity. Had to speak English. Sang English church music Families that did exist were broken up. --- No African Music. No African language. No African Religion. No African families No African anything. ****

Sorry, not true. Well documented in many other sources besides this one:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Voodoo

From the same article:

++The enslaved community quickly outnumbered white European colonists. The French colony was not a stable society when the enslaved Africans arrived, and the newly arrived Africans dominated the slave community. According to a census of 1731-1732, the ratio of enslaved Africans to European settlers was more than two to one.[3] As a relatively small number of colonists were planters and slaveholders, the Africans were held in large groups, which enabled their preservation of African indigenous practices and culture.[4] Unlike in the Upper South and other parts of British Colonial American, where different groups were brought together and slave families were frequently divided among different plantations, in southern Louisiana families, cultures and languages were kept more intact.[5]++

Since all this is clearly becoming very tiresome, I would like to try and resolve it this way:

There is a huge amount that has been written and stated on these topics by (imo) legions (literally) of authoritative sources that supports my point of view; not difficult to find this info at all.  It would defy logic that if there was any validity to the counter-argument that there would be, at least, SOMETHING written SOMEWHERE to support the opposing point of view.  I hope that we can, at least, agree that our humble little playground of a thread is not the only place where disagreement has been expressed; if there is any.  I pose a challenge:  let's see that material; kindly post some of it.  I don't have a problem with being proved wrong and would welcome it.  

What does Voodoo have to do with "Bebop"?

OP:

New name is in order.  Let's Christen him 'The Wiki-Man'.   Without wiki he has no clue.   Hell, even with wiki he is clueless. He does not have any life experiences to call upon, only Google and Wiki, so they can make his arguments for him.  He even has to Google Cuba!!!  Sad.

Cheers