O-10, sorry, but I’m not going to go down that road of contentiousness again and for the umpteenth time. It’s too bad that you always seem to need to turn things nasty when faced with simple disagreement. I believe my comments have been perfectly clear and I don’t think it is I who is not understanding. As always I’m willing and would be glad to discuss further with civility. Until then or if not, peace! I respectfully suggest you put the brakes on . Btw, you yourself have posted examples of the Trane’s playing from the period in question as examples of how he "took it too far", so they are already here on this thread.
Jazz for aficionados
Jazz for aficionados
I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
Enjoy the music.
I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
Enjoy the music.
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Frogman, Orpheus - Seems to me this might be another example of that objectivist/subjectivist music dynamic that generates much discussion on this thread...or at least that’s how I interpret it. You two are Yin & Yang, two sides of the same coin. I’ve NO problem with Orpheus recollection of his and the audience’s reaction to that Coltrane performance OR Frogman’s comments about JC’s work in that period. F’s 7:03PM 6/7 post makes a lot of sense to me and seems to be consistent with and explain what Orpheus witnessed. Even though audiences might have known JC from his work with Miles, that didn’t necessarily prepare them for what he might get into on any given night once he started performing with his own band. McCoy Tyner in that interview talks about how he was always exploring and experimenting, preferring not to do the same thing twice. The audience that O was part of might well have witnessed something they weren’t totally ready for. Heck, maybe it wasn’t even one of John’s more successful explorations. I certainly do not understand what is provoking any ill-humor. |
Exactly right, Ghosthouse. The concept of changing/evolving audience tastes and perception is well documented and practically indisputable. Like you and as I wrote previously, I don't doubt that O-10's account of the audience reaction was accurate; and yes, that probably wasn't even JC's "most successful exploration". No need for ill-humor. I would also venture a guess and say that there probably was one jazz-geek in that crowd that, if only privately, said to himself: "That was awesome!".....there always is. |
...in the meantime..... Stan Getz and John Coltrane, together, live 1960..... https://youtu.be/beCGdmrP8Xc |
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