Polite Rules for discussing Audio related things


The polite rules for discussing audio:
Folks post three types of messages:      
Questions ,about audio function, method, what to buy..  
Answers to other folks questions..  
And blogging. I bought this, I did this, here is my experience                        
Allow others to say and describe what they experience and hear.   Allow then to offer reasons without arguing.   If it is a blog, stop telling them what to do! They don't want you arguing, just wanted to say I did this.
Offer POSITIVE responses. If you disagree with them, do so in a polite and friendly way.        
Offer alternatives without aggressive language.And above all, stop tit for tat aggression. Turn the other cheek dudes, turn the other cheek.
What do you think would help create a friendly happy place to discuss audio?
elizabeth
uberwaltz,

What else could it become with valid, but still not audio-related, title it has? Well, it has "audio related" in there but the title could skip those two words and be applied to any other segment or hobby.

I just caught myself writing a tractate on respiratory mechanics, physiology, and I do not know what else on a thread about......cables. How did that happen? I have no clue. It seems that threads on Audiogon have such a tendency. I learn more about philosophy, geography, etc. here than I do about strictly audio topics.
inna said:

"To quote someone.
- Whatever you think I am or want me to be I am -"

That sounds like the exact opposite of anarchism. It also sounds like Paul:

"For though I am free from all.......I have become all things to all people"


I’m pretty sure he was not an anarchist. The exact opposite in fact.


glupson, I have seen this sort of discussion frequently on other up-scale web sites usually involving expensive high tech equipment. I do not think it is elitist to say that a lot of people involved in this sort of hobby are intelligent and multi-dimensional and often well-read. On the automotive (racing) websites I frequent, this sort of conversation is non-existent. I find the participants there to be just as intelligent, but often in a more practical sense...street smarts....or track smarts...and there tends to be less debate about subjective things. If it doesn’t result in faster track times or durability then it doesn’t matter and no one is going to wax philosophical about it.

I think this sorts of discussions are harmless. No one came to this particular thread looking for technical info. Nothing lost. And there has been some entertaining wit exchanged and so far no one wants to kill anyone else.




n80,

I agree and am actually appreciate non-audio knowledge I gather here. This thread has been quite pacifistic and enjoyable so far. Wait, what was the topic again?
glupson
I agree and am actually appreciate non-audio knowledge I gather here.

>>>>>>When do you reckon you’ll be gathering up some grammar knowledge here?
geoffkait,

I gather the ideas. Grammar knowledge is lower on my list of interests for now, but am open to new acquisitions. Thankfully, there are those who write well here so I do pay attention.
glupson, ignore him (you should already know this by now). Pointing out grammar and spelling errors on discussion forums is the lowest form of trolling.
n80,

I know, geoffkait does like to point out my occasional typo while not being able to construct his own sentence most of the time. I do not pay much attention to that. Nor am I able to understand those little pictures he often places within his posts. Even teenagers do not do it anymore. And they write way better. I do draw the line at his insults with calls for death, suggestions of suicide, etc.
glupson has learned how to be an accomplished 🍑🎩 here. Unfortunately a verbose one.
geoffkait,

You may need to ask for money back from your high school. They did not deliver. They did not prepare you for meaningful and courteous communication with other adults.
@glupson the emojis are for ass and burgers hence he is attempting to insult you as having aspergers syndrome when you clearly don’t. Usually people like him that devote to insults are reminiscent to a bully in middle school. Except the worst thing is he isn’t a middle-schooler, he sadly is a grown man with no life except on the internet doing what he does best, trolling, (you can google him). Truly pathetic @geoffkait . Everyone should just ignore him and move on to real-world audio discussions for what a forum like this should be about.

Best thing for him is to fade away from these forums as it really interrupts the quality of discussion and engagement of learning for others.
If we start kicking some out soon enough everyone will be kicked out or leave.
Holy cow, I would have never figured out it was Asperger's syndrome symbol. Not in this lifetime, not ever.
Two things: 

1.When we talk about him, even if we don't talk to him, he likes it. I'm guilty again.

2.I would not equate him with a real bully. He just isn't effective in that role. Which is doubly sad because I think that is what he wants most to be.
Should we make a whole thread about him, rather than usurping other threads? That way, geoffkait could feel good (see statement 1 above) and we would be doing a good deed.
reggy

@glupson the emojis are for ass and burgers hence he is attempting to insult you as having aspergers syndrome when you clearly don’t. Usually people like him that devote to insults are reminiscent to a bully in middle school. Except the worst thing is he isn’t a middle-schooler, he sadly is a grown man with no life except on the internet doing what he does best, trolling, (you can google him). Truly pathetic @geoffkait . Everyone should just ignore him and move on to real-world audio discussions for what a forum like this should be about.

Best thing for him is to fade away from these forums as it really interrupts the quality of discussion and engagement of learning for others.

>>>>reggy must be a boy genius for figuring out the peach hamburger emoji. Glupson, eat your heart ❤️ out.

n80
Two things:

1.When we talk about him, even if we don't talk to him, he likes it. I'm guilty again.

2.I would not equate him with a real bully. He just isn't effective in that role. Which is doubly sad because I think that is what he wants most to be.

>>>>>One thing: 

1. Somebody musta flunked Psychology 101,
glupson
Are those pictures of hamburgers?

>>>Technically they’re cheeseburgers. Which also works.
Yes someone with nothing but time to waste should start a special  GK thread.
We have a match! Gloops and Moops. Bingo!

We sing our early morning singing song
Gliddy glup gloopy nibby nabby nooby la la la lo lo
Sabba sibby sabba nooby abba nabba le le lo lo
Tooby ooby walla nooby abba nabba

I’m all for the GK thread if it will help keep his nonsense from bogging down all the rest but I doubt it. Plus having his own thread might largely sate his need for ego stroking for a bit maybe and spare us in all the other otherwise useful threads?
mapman,

That is what I was hoping for. However, I am afraid geoffkait would trash the thread in his honor, too.
What is actually needed is some sort of basic audio thread, you know for non audiophiles and newbies, clean slates, that sort of thing. One gets rarher tired of the mundane, what about this? what about that? routine. Yes, I realize this isn’t supposed to be the faculty at Harvard. But does it have to be so much like Revenge of the Nerds? But Whack a mole is OK by me. 
People with no answers do get tired of clear and, often, simple questions. In fact, I noticed that posters on Audiogon do not like having their posts read carefully and then having questions asked about them. It is, all too often, a one-way communication.
Simple question: Should I buy it? or NOT buy it? So far waffling has gotten me to the brink. But can it push me OVER the brink into actually buying? It sure would look pretty on my audio shelf. Even though I don't need it.. I want it..And NO you cannot ask what it is. Suffice to say it clearly is some sort of audio related gizmo.
glupson
People with no answers do get tired of clear and, often, simple questions.

>>>>Yes, I know, Pumpkin. The What about this? What about that? routine. You perfected it. Daddy, why is the sky blue? 👶
Sorry kid, I am NOT your Daddy, but I’ll tell you anyway...
The sky is blue because of all the WATER vapor in the air. The sunlight hits the water vapor and after several things happen you have no need to know mainly 'cuz I do not understand them fully but has something to do with electron states and emitted energy... the sky turns blue.
geoffkait,

I might have perfected whatever you feel I have. Aren't you curious how it is to be good at something? Why don't you try to improve your posts? Maybe, with some effort, you could make a coherent one more often than once a month. It is not hard to do. Write what you think you want to write. Then delete it and write just the opposite.
Multiple choice, what’s driving Miss Lizzie bonkers? Hmmmm, something for the shelf....

1. Large Acoustic resonator, the one the size of a grapefruit
2. Ultra Signature Clever Lil Clock
3. Mind Lamp from Psyleron
4. Quantum Temple Bell
5. Autographed photo of Keith Richards
6. 1/32 scale Harley Davidson Sportster
7. Zen and the Art of Debunkery
8. None of the above


Nice try, Lizzie. Actually the reason the sky is blue has nothing to do with water vapor. Blue light is scattered in all directions when sunlight strikes the tiny molecules of air, mostly oxygen and nitrogen, in the Earth’s atmosphere. That’s called Rayleigh scattering. Blue is scattered more than other colors because it’s wavelength is shorter. This is why we see a blue sky most of the time.
Where are the real moderators? They hide in the shadows and seemingly never speak.

I wish that we could vote comments up and down like Reddit, follow users, and block users that we don’t want to hear from.

It would solve a lot of problems and prevent the alleged need for soap box speeches about how we should and shouldn’t behave...like we are kindergartners. 


Whoa!!--- Don't call for the old moderating days--when all has to be approved by the hierarchy over a Looonnng Lunch! now at least someone up top has seen a light and we can Post without passing
the Pressure Test.

Elizabeth has good intentions and what is a posting without dear Geoffrey to the fore!

All good fun--carry on chaps!

T212

Count me in for giving the OP the power to delete posts from someone who attempts to degrade or derail the topic.
I'm all for letting the OP decide the content and direction of the thread.  If the OP wants to keep tight control of a topic I'm OK with that.  Anything goes,,, well that's OK too.  A good healthy disagreement can be just as informative as a "group hug" type of thread.
Let the OP decide.
Personally, what I dislike the most is when a responder or responders hijack a thread, and take the conversation in a direction that has absolutely nothing to do with the OP's question or concern.  All too often the thread regresses to a sniping session and the initial subject is destroyed.  
It's times like this when the OP should have the power to get the thread back, "on topic".
If you don't like the way a particular OP restricts threads,,, don't read his or her posts! 
I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but with so many of these threads ending up off topic, I'm no longer as enthused about opening up Audiogon as I used to be.  

Toolbox
I stated this on the first page, has it happened?

“but some people do not want to contribute to the discussion therefore it does not matter that the forum members have a thick skin. Some are here to sell their gear (think dealers) some are here to make the converstation about THEM (think geoff). In those two examples, the original subject goes off the rails because of ego drive idiots with thier own agenda.
Thread hijackers who kill the conversation.”

Yes the moderator should take out the stuff that feeds trolls like Geoff...
Geoff is not a troll. He may be annoying to some folks, but he is definitely not a troll. I would say he creates a lot of difficulty for those with problems understanding sarcastic humor, that is a fer’ sure.
2psyop
I stated this on the first page, has it happened?

“but some people do not want to contribute to the discussion therefore it does not matter that the forum members have a thick skin. Some are here to sell their gear (think dealers) some are here to make the converstation about THEM (think geoff). In those two examples, the original subject goes off the rails because of ego drive idiots with thier own agenda.
Thread hijackers who kill the conversation.”

Yes the moderator should take out the stuff that feeds trolls like Geoff...

>>>>Yeah, yeah, you already said all that, 2cyclops. You do realize repetition is a symptom of Asperger’s, don’t you? Go find someone else to stalk. Besides, you haven’t contributed anything whatsoever to this thread other than belly aching.