blue jeans cable?


anyone have any experience with these guys? i just want some good conductive cables for my zu omens...
roggae
Good products. Not audiophile dressing, but they function as a cable should. Cost vs. performance is very good. Their HDMI cables is as good as it gets. 
geoff,

You've been so busy writing that you failed to "Check 6."
I'm right on your tail. 
Parts and power? No problemo.

“The MiG-29 has been manufactured in several major variants, including the multirole Mikoyan MiG-29M and the navalised Mikoyan MiG-29K; the most advanced member of the family to date is the Mikoyan MiG-35. Later models frequently feature improved engines, glass cockpits with HOTAS-compatible flight controls, modern radar and IRST sensors, and considerably increased fuel capacity; some aircraft have also been equipped for aerial refuelling.

Following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the militaries of a number of former Soviet republics have continued to operate the MiG-29, the largest of which is the Russian Air Force. The Russian Air Force wanted to upgrade its existing fleet to the modernised MiG-29SMT configuration, but financial difficulties have limited deliveries. The MiG-29 has also been a popular export aircraft; more than 30 nations either operate or have operated the aircraft to date, India being one of the largest export operators of the type. In 2013 the MiG-29 was still in production by Mikoyan, a subsidiary of United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) since 2006.”

This just in: “About 1,600 MiG-29s are currently operational worldwide and approximately 600 MiG-29s and variants are in service with the Russian Air Force.”

cheers
Where are you getting the parts and maintenance to keep it flying?

And, there's the small matter of relative thrust and vertical climb capabilities

Just asking
I wouldn’t be too sure. To whit,

Aerodynamics:
The cropped F-22 delta wings generate greater static drag than the MiG-29’s tapered swept wings, there is a good reason they aren’t used on non-stealth fighters. Another major aerodynamic difference is that the F-22 lacks wing root extensions which generate chine vortex over the wing thus greatly increasing lift and reducing drag.

The vortex also augments the rudder’s effect at high alpha flight. Both aircraft have abundantly large rudders, but the MiG-29 has larger envelope of controllable flight and better post-stall recovery, as demonstrated by the Cobra maneuver.

The MiG-29’s airfoil generates more lift for less drag at high alpha with better stability, has a higher maximum angle of attack and superior stall recover characteristics.

Avionics:
It’s (the F-22) designed with great faith in stealth, Lockheed prioritized beyond visual range combat capabilities over dogfight performance, thus omitted a helmet mounted sighting system. Thrust vectoring is one feature which does enhance the F-22’s agility and reduce energy bleed, but it seems to be simply super-imposed on the flat exhaust design meant as a stealth measure.

The APG-77 provides +/-120° field of coverage in azimuth and elevation, which is the highest possible value for a flat phased array antenna. The original N-010 Zhuk radar has +/- 90° range in azimuth and +55/-40° in elevation. This gives the F-22 some advantage in limit of radar acquisition parameters, but unlike the HMS equipped MiG, the pilot still has to manually point the aircraft within a much smaller parameter to obtain radar lock.

🤗 cheers, from my MIG-29



geoffkait
I'm an old fighter pilot.
Had you in the circle in my gunsight - - - all the way.
First I made my own bi-wire cables :-).  Bought a pair of their Canare cables and the sound improvement was rather dramatic.  The build quality is outstanding IMHO, and the price was definitely right. 
All I needed was 1.5 feet between connectors , replaced a 4 foot straight wire I have had for a few years. I use their canare for speakers. 

djones51:

Use Bluejeans every time I buy a new component. Getting just the right length with the correct plugs, welded securely, does the job for me -- and their professional cable (Belden, Canare) has superb response characteristics.

I got my new digital coax today from blue jeans , listening to On an Island and Gilmour's guitar has never souned better. Amazing detail, highly recommended and it only has about 1 hour on it and when my brain becomes more familiar I am sure it will only improve. Best $23 I ever spent. 
They are decent Entry level cables,not much more .
Wireworld , Audioquest are good ,Kimber8tc is a classic .
supra makes excellent bang for the buck for under $500 for some very good speaker cables,  and interconnects very wellpriced.
madisound sells them . I use theirwire internally in my new Speakers . I use very well respected Verastarr Audio cables .
abithigher pricedthen average But also better resolution .
cables can go into the 5 $$ digit category if you want to spend and have the $$. I meet the logic 1/2way on spending.
geoffkait,

With almost 11,000 posts under your belt, displaying exceptional technical knowledge of many of the subjects on the Forum,  IMO, you truly are a most positive, delightful, prolific and and entertaining troll. 
Anyone who can make a career out of turning audiophile truths on their head and calling them lies and supporting his assertions with a bizarre form of anti audiophile pseudo logic, well hat’s off to him, partner! 🤠
geoffkait

I guess you're correct.

My 68 years of experience with recording media and playback capabilities must really be crap. 


prof
brayeagle, you know how it goes. If you express that view (Peter Aczel), either your ears are crap, your gear is crap, or both ;-)

Drop the smiley face and I agree. 🤠

I just wanted to correct a bad link I posted. It's http://www.cabledyne.com/ and not cabledynecables. 

All the best,
Nonoise
Solid quality gear at very fair prices and leadtime
my vintage system mostly wired with Bluejeans

brayeagle, you know how it goes.  If you express that view, either your ears are crap, your gear is crap, or both ;-)

Wow. This all went sideways rather quickly. 🤔
I like my Blue Jeans cables and would recommend their products. 
My personal preference is to spend for quality cables but not exotic cables. 
I also like Dyson Audio products. He will do custom builds and stands by his products. 
I just bought a WireWorld interconnect and so far it seems to be of good quality. 
You're welcome @grannyring .  It's kind of nice to find someone who's somewhat in the middle of all of this having designed cables for a living and going just a bit further with better quality parts and not charging an arm and a leg.

All the best,
Nonoise
Correct @waltersalas

I was just emailing and learning about a great line of high end cables from an ex-designer at Belden for years. He certainly knows his stuff and realizes better sounding cables can be made, but they will cost more due to the parts quality. Thanks @nonoise for the tip!
But such details don't seem to matter when it comes to audiophiles who hold their own perception as inviolable and indisputable.   

Whose perception should we defer to when making choices about our systems, if not our subjective perception of what sounds best to us?
So you have a dealer (BJ Cables) who knows it all and denigrates others who feel otherwise based on their own experience. Not the objective type, I’d wager. Gotta love the know-it-alls.



Unless jaybe is an electrical engineer, or has experiencing manufacturing cable, it's rather likely the the owner of BJ cables does know more than jaybe about cables.


But such details don't seem to matter when it comes to audiophiles who hold their own perception as inviolable and indisputable.  





Grannyring's first post summed up my experience perfectly.  They make a decent range of cables and they're excellent value. However I soon discovered that I could make meaningful (to my ears) improvements by spending a little more on other . I'd personally recommend improving cables beyond BJ quality before getting into serious component upgrades, although there are many people who quite satisfied with them. 
@jayctoy 

Yes indeed. As I said it may well be system, taste, or even location driven. The same cable is loved by some and hated by others. Love this hobby! 
@grannyring , I got the economical Synergy set and just may plunge for the Virtuoso in the future. The Synergy still uses 12 GA cryo'd silver stranded conductors but the bananas are gold plated over copper. 

Going all silver is very tempting.

All the best,
Nonoise

Granny , I am using the LC 1 interconnect from my turntable to my tube preamp , no trace of brightness, It’s connected as Doub Schroeder method, double Ic....
@grannyring , sure thing.
They're Cabledynecables.com. They've been mentioned before in some threads and I've always wondered about their potential. On a lark, I took a chance on their speaker cables and liked them enough to keep them.

They have the tightest image focus I've heard in my system. Nothing is vague or difficult to pinpoint. It took a couple of days for the highs to fully open and the base took another day to flesh out with authority but remains tight and textured. It's not the most dominant base I've heard but rather, the most accurate as it never draws attention to itself until some real base is encountered and then you finally realize what decent base sounds like. It's always in proportion.

I think the shielding along with the overall construction accounts for their performance. Tight fitting banana terminations help as well. Just for the heck of it I replaced my Tempo Electric SCs and everything kind of went south. I had gotten so used to the sound of the Cabledynes that I hadn't noticed how much more they progressed in breaking in since when I first swapped them out, the delta wasn't that large except for the killer focus.

I still love the Tempos with my Marantz (I have no idea how it would sound with the Cabledynes) but with the Kinki EX-M1, the Cabledynes fully compliment the amp, like they were made for them.

All the best,Nonoise
Hey @nonoise any chance we can check these new design cables out? Sounds interesting. 
So you have a dealer (BJ Cables) who knows it all and denigrates others who feel otherwise based on their own experience. Not the objective type, I’d wager. Gotta love the know-it-alls.

I’ve been experimenting with some cables lately designed by an engineer who used to work at Belden Wire & Cable and his designs are a far sight better than what Beldin makes and their speaker cables now reside in my system and their interconnects came scary close to my Darwin ICs for less than a third of the cost. I still kept my Darwins but the point is that someone who knows Belden inside and out, goes out and designs something that Belden doesn’t make/sell that betters what he used to put out says something.

His former employer is making something that’s built to a price point and can do the job, but just that. Oh, and the ICs and SCs are very reasonably priced. Not extravagant in the least.

All the best,
Nonoise
I have used blue jeans for speaker cables though I opted for the canare instead of belden. Sounds good  to me but after a short time on this forum I feel most would consider my set up as low end or junk so maybe they fit right in. 
+1 @jaybe

Exactly the same as my findings. They sound OK like Monster Cable etc....at best based on my comparisons. However, their subwoofer cable is quite satisfactory indeed.

One does not need to spend big money to do better. Great offerings from Belden and Duelund are examples. I even felt the low priced Canare and Mogami speaker/ICs cables sounded better.

We Aphiles have different opinions on all matters sound and audio and certainly this is yet another example.  I find this interesting.  
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Agree with prof

As a long time user of Belden cables on audio equipment, I finally began getting cables from Blue Jean, primarily due to their method used to connect high-quality interface hardware to the cable, and being able to specify the length of the cables. 

BJ cables are throughout my 2 way system (Brystion and Thiel), my son's 2 way, and the AV systems of two of my grandchildren.  No problems.  (BTW: We all have extensive CD collections, and prefer CD playback to streaming.)

The BJ web page has quite a bit of interesting reading on various cable and cable-related issues. Well worth perusing.  

I have bought many speaker cables from BlueJeans Cable.  Their no-BS-pseudo-scientific-sounding claims are  such a breath of fresh air given what one encounters in much of the audiophile cable industry.  Much of which comes off like some cynical prank on consumers.
+1 BJC, I’ve bought Ethernet and AV cables from them.
Although BJC has received a lot of praise here, remember that these are considered entry level cables, which is why I used them.

But it wasn’t but a month or two later that I was ready To upgrade the Blue Jeans Ethernet audio cable. So what Im suggesting here is perhaps to spend a few bucks more to get something more satisfying and long lasting On the front end.  

My my first choice would be to call the Zu guys directly and ask or beg them for used or demo cables for the Omens (I own Omens too).

My my second choice would be to check out the Audio Advisor website and look at their custom or stock” Audioquest Type 4 Speaker Cables, No Frills”. I had them make me a pair for me for about $100.some guy named Tom or Dave or something has been soldering custom cable for them for like 20 years. Prices are reduced greatly b/c you are buying the cables which have been made at Audio Advisor rather than from Audioquest itself. So you are not paying for marketing here. 

https://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=AQT4N

I run these Audioquest cables into my Omens. They sound fantastically good. Better than the Nordost Blue Heavens and Red Dawns, and better than the Analysis Plus Oval 9s

My third choice would be ..... Blue Jeans Cable
Let us know what you decide, best
I tried BJ cables twice and found them to be a tad bright and unrefined.  I did like their subwoofer cables however.  Two different systems yielded the same results for me. I find the newer bulk Duelund wire makes for a far more refined and musical speaker or IC cable.