$10k Speaker Cables??????????????

I guess they must be waaay behind the times down under 🔝 since $10k speaker cables (??????????? added for emphasis) are kind of old hat 🎩 and not that outrageous any more. Maybe they were ten years ago, or twenty years ago. You know, what with $40k speaker cables and even $30k internal speaker wiring options these days. We did have a millennium change, you know. So, if you want to troll the High Enders at least use a price that will actually cause an eyebrow to be raised. 😲

There are some people who dont really care about getting better sound but somehow have time to troll the internet to persuade audio hobbyists that we are either deaf or dumb to buy anything more than monster cable.

Perhaps these people dont really even enjoy music or stopped liking music after the glory years [fill in the era of choice]

Perhaps these people cannot afford to upgrade their system so feel a a need to lash out at the high costs often but not always associated with this hobby.

Most people here want the genuine opinion of other hobbyist who have an open mind and ears and are interested in the pursuit of better sound...

I certainly am happy with the state of sound I have in my various setups but am confident that I can learn more and improve things still.

I remember helpful advice regarding upgrading fuses and yet of course much backlash about how ridic this is by some people here....many people were stunned it makes a difference but the more stunning thing is people who have strong opinions in theory about things they never even try

Perhaps it is a fools mission to impute beliefs to others....

The Catholic Church did that to Galileo and look where they are, today. 
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@karmapolice not everyone can afford to grab a $10,000 set of speaker cables and give 'em a try. 

maritime51, that is a non sequitur. Far be it from me to defend the Catholic Church but their problems today most certainly do not stem from their power struggle with Galileo.

But I think you are right on the money in your intent. It is only natural, and usually prudent, not to initially believe in things that are patently unbelievable.

Don't believe in anything to begin with, right. Ha. No-one can do it.

No one has to try 10K cables perhaps 1K or $500 cables if using $100 cables....or even make your own but to insist like some here do that science has proven it’s pointless is bordering on flat earth society stuff

If you impute beliefs, globally, to others, you will probably err.  It would seem a rather catholic thing to do....

People would generally be much better off if they believed in too much rather than too little. - PT Barnum

You can’t cheat an honest man. Never smarten up a chump and never give a sucker an even break. - WC Fields

The noblest art is making others happy. - PT Barnum

To hell with the others, make yourself not unhappy first.

My wife is blind in both eyes. I told her she picked out the expensive cable 5 of 5 times and since its a valid double blind test we had to purchase the expensive (looking / no pun) cable.

I don’t know if I feel sorry for her, or you. 

"...it was turning threads into a travesty."

I do agree.

On the other hand some would say that the thread discussing $10 000 speaker cables is travesty in the first place. Just ask anyone. Anyone outside this thread, that is.

I see no reason not to discuss any cable regardless of price, let's just not get fixated on price. The same with any other piece of equipment.

maritime51
  I don’t know if I feel sorry for her, or you.
   
I think blind audiophiles without a price list would have a much better sound system and plenty of money to burn elsewhere.

My take on this whole thread, when you cut all the fluff off the bird, is that Australia is simply a microcosm of the rest of the audio world, as backsliding and trollish as the day is long. 🦘🦘🦘

Another Kat 💩 ephipany. God save us. 

Meeooowwww!  🙀

Cut all the fluff off the bird?                   
🦃🦃🦃 Are we having Turkey this Thanksgiving .. Again? 🦃🦃🦃

What do they eat for Thanksgiving in Australia? 

I’m not 100% on this but I heard they eat wallabies.

That seems very un-American.

Well, I was there earlier this year and there are some amazing animals like this, and others. 

Hell no, where are we going!!!!

Nowhere. Fast. Happy Thanksgiving.

The madness would end really fast if people stopped buying cables at this price level. 
The prices would drop like a stone. 
They might even sell MORE of their pricy cables as the research/production/cost ratios improved. 
Duhhh!!!

That’s so funny! 😃 You think he’s serious? You actually believe anyone buys cables that cost $10k? Wow! Boy, are you gullible! You need to learn how to recognize a troll thread when you see one.

Agree with part of GK post there.

Certainly good ol George has proven himself to be a major troll and hypocrite by launching this thread with no intention of ever returning to it himself and knowing just what trouble it would start.

And yet elsewhere he calls for other OP,s of threads to close them because they are now "toxic".

Sorry George but have to call this as I see it, "two face" is your new name.

But as for buying 10k cables and upwards, sure there are people who blow that on cables, not me but as you say build it and they will come!

As I have said many times before: $10K cables, and for that matter, $200K turntables, $600K speakers, etc etc exist because there are so many people these days with net worths north of $1B who probably send someone out to do their audio shopping for them. 

Never pay more than 1k for your smoked  wallabie.....'low and slow is the way to go'

The world has less that 3,000 billionaires-- no, these products are made for high net-worth professionals and of course, the venerable trust-fund-babies. Pity the fools that actually believe they have improved their system by dropping $10k on one set of cables. I've said it before; once you hit a certain threshold of material and build quality (unless you're buying pure silver, platinum, or gold), there are no more improvements-- just differences. As in fine wine. You want to believe that your $10k cables bought you "better" sound? Of course you do! One other thing-- a lot of the "buzz" some folks get from buying crazy expensive stuff comes from the warm and fuzzy feelings they get believing they've bought something that's out of "your" reach. Setting them (and their toys), in their minds, apart and above "you". Whoop-te-do! Oh, and if it's not clear enough already, I am not saying cables don't make a difference or that a cheap Radio Shack cable is as good as an Audioquest model etc., just saying with cables, quality plateaus in the hundreds, not thousands of dollars. Many cable-makers are absolutely chumping their customers with outrageous claims and laughing their asses off all the way to the bank.

I have to disagree that cables plateau in the hundreds.. I gladly paid $1,100 for several pairs (Kimber KS) and $3,200 for one important seven meter pair.(also Kimber KS)  and yes they are better than the piles I bought at the $360 price point.(Cardas Parsec). Took me time to cough up the money, since at heart I am a cheapskate. As far as speaker cables go ... I am still holding the line at Kimber 8TC.
Maybe someday when I have more money left in the bank than makes sense, I will splurge on some fancy speaker cables. ($3K tops, I PROMISE)

I saw a Montblanc pen made in conjunction with Purdy shotguns ($100k for one of their guns is nothing). One of the higher level pens is priced at 120,000 pounds. I'm not sure what that is in US dollars. It is a very pretty pen. If you can buy a 120,000 pound sterling pen that will never touch paper, then $10,000 speaker cables are nothing at all. Nothing. And you don't have to be a billionaire for that type of luxury either.

I've heard, urban legend maybe, that there are Ferraris sitting unclaimed and covered in sand in Saudi Arabian airport parking lots. 

Those of us who are merely affluent have no idea what real big money is like.

@elizabeth : Don't forget to have them burned in before you buy them!

That's reason enough not to buy $10k cables and Ferraris - not to be associated in any way with those f*****s. And you don't need such an expensive gun for a bullet to go straight to the target.
Real money is earned money, my audiophile friend, but of course you already know it.

It all comes down to what you’re trying to achieve and what you can be happy 🤗 with - all things considered - including SR, your expendable resources and how much you have put into the game. I have a nagging suspicion, and trust me, I know a lot of audiophiles, many folks get a little carried away with the whole thing. Chasing the dragon. 🦎 Consumed by the fires of Ork. 😃 Geez, try to keep a little perspective. People! As Groucho Marx quipped when his guest told him she had eight children, I like my cigar but I take it out once in a while.

@inna : "That's reason enough not to buy $10k cables and Ferraris - not to be associated in any way with those f*****s."

Almost anyone on the street could look at your system and mine and say the exact same thing about us, right?

"And you don't need such an expensive gun for a bullet to go straight to the target."

First off, they're shotguns, so no bullets. Second, Purdy owners (I've know 1 or 2) will tell you there is a lot more to it than the trajectory of shot leaving the barrel. There is balance, feel, grip, momentum of swing, etc. (I've held a few of these guns and they mount and feel great in the hands). But, they are also handmade and of extremely high workmanship. They are also embellished with often elaborate hand engraving and checkering which is much appreciated by their owners and fans.

My point here is not to justify the cost to you ( I do not want and will never own one). The point is that all of these elements which we might consider a fetish are almost exactly analogous to the things audiophiles, even of a modest stripe, put so much emphasis on and pay so much money for. I suspect the Purdy owners I know would be shocked and amused that people pay $10,000 for a pair of speakers to listen to three guys crank on guitars, bass and a drum kit.

"Real money is earned money, my audiophile friend, but of course you already know it."

That's pretty much the only kind of money I've ever had but can't deny that my path in life has been blessed. So I'm not knocking inherited money either. And if a long lost uncle dies and leaves me a bank roll, I won't turn it down and I might even blow it on a $1000 DAC that to me sounds outrageous but to many if not most in this forum sounds like a compromise. ;-)

"That's reason enough not to buy $10k cables and Ferraris - not to be associated in any way with those f*****s."

Hopefully, there are other reasons for those who prefer not to buy these things. Above reason would be quite a snobbish one.

Yes. I would buy a Ferrari in a heartbeat. On two conditions: 1) I had enough money to buy it and treat it the same way I treat my 350Z. In other words it could not be so precious to me that I was afraid to use it. And 2) That I'd drive the heck out of it, street and track, the same way I do my Z.....which has taken enormous abuse.

I've never known anyone very well who owned a Ferrari. I do know a man who owned a room full of Purdy and pricier shotguns. He was a gun snob in precisely the same way we are all audio snobs. I did not consider that to be a reflection of his character which was otherwise warm and generous. 

Stereotypes are often correct but very frequently wrong as well.

I might have been lucky so everyone I have known owning a Ferrari has been a friendly, nice, and polite person. There may be many reasons not to buy one (actual humiliation of purchasing, at times) but one it is not. Music in the car. Historically speaking, Ferrari is actually a bona fide audiophile vehicle. 612 came with Bose system stock. I am not aware that anyone has beat it so far, when it comes to obvious audiophile attempt. I guess, a true audiophile should not dis it.

You need more question marks DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

9986 more.

Nobody can say glubson is weak in math. He’s like a computer.

Made you look?

One more for good measure...

80 000/2 = 40 000

Kat scratch fever....🙀

Let’s use the new math, shall we? You know what I’m talking about. 90,000/2. Glubson, the answer is.....?

It’s a fluid situation on the ground, folks. And you have got to develop situational awareness and awareness of transitional spaces. You have to be able to crunch the numbers!

I posit you suffer from vertigo, but, maybe it is just peaches and hamburgers. 😿

"It’s a fluid situation on the ground, folks."

Be careful where you step. You never know what it is and who did it.

Ha!  Get it on your shoe, and well....

I guess he missed the box, again. 

Bad Kitty. 😷