New Tweak --- Its Fantastic
Being an avid DIY guy modifying all manner of gear and building several tube preamps, amps and such, I can tell readers that TC is just wonderful sounding. I find the result as good or better than spending 5x the amount on upgraded caps like Duelund and Jupiter. It also surpasses other mods I have done including resistor, rectifier, and tube rolling upgrades. The qualitative posts from folks who have not used it are useless for the Audiogon community. Most of us don’t know how it is possible for a paste to improve sound quality so dramatically, but that does not change the fact that is works wonderfully. I have treated my speaker crossovers, internal speaker wiring, all outlets, power conditions, amplifiers, source, cabling and LPSs. The result is stunning. All my recordings sound better. All of them. TC avoids the pitfall of causing your system to only sound great on great recordings. TC manages to help your system play all recordings with greater musicality and improved listener engagement. This is a huge benefit. I find myself playing artists that in the past sounded just awful, but I loved the music. I can now say I enjoy these these recordings in my home and not just in the car! For me this attribute is the real benefit of the product. My system is less fussy now. The Audiophile part of me can relax and just enjoy my recordings with sonic contentment. I have cap rolled, tube rolled, gear rolled, part rolled and tweak swapped for decades. I build and sell cables and spend many hours listening for those fine tonal nuances as I try different wire, dialetrics, and build designs. Through all of this, and as a result of all of this, I can confidently say TC is a music lovers best friend and ally. This product and other innovations that spin off from it will become an indispensable tool in both manufacturing and in our homes. No, the owner of TC did not pay me. Actually, I tried to pass along some advice and he seemed a tad agitated with my sage advice😕 |
Wading through the BS is all the fun! If it were all one way or the other, no one would be reading it at all (except maybe the 57 folks who need to pat themselves on the back?)The stuff may work great, but since there aren’t any free samples.. (Are there free samples? Ever hear of 'priming the pump'.) Or how about a shoot out with Furutechs juice and Siltech’s rub.Anyway, keep up the typing. Us retired folks with nothing better to do.. Gives us a meaning in life. |
All- I am tired of wasting my time reading posts about whether a product can possibly work, or how stupid people are for buying it, or whether it is being advertised, etc. I am very, very interested in reading posts about how to get better sound from my system, usually from someone who has already tried a product, or made a comparison between products. There is a lot of collective experience, knowledge and intelligence here that i value and want to tap into. Right now, both types of posts are intermingled in a given thread. I'm not just talking about this thread, but this phenomena is very common here on Audiogon. I propose that we as Audiogon members separate out the two types of posts into two separate threads, and if a post is off-topic, it is flagged and deleted by the mods. E.g., New Tweak --- Its Fantastic: Discussion on sonic effects and uses New Tweak --- Its Fantastic: Discussion on topics other than sonic effects and uses That way all the voices can speak and be heard, but those of us that have productive things to do to help society, but want to come home at the end of the day and listen to great music reproduced at a high level, don't have to wade through the BS. -jim |
@jetter Smaller quantity, yes it has been requested several times. It is under serious consideration. As far as your system not being resolving enough, I will share this with you. I have been recently working with a top manufacture, who has been implementing TC into one their top tier pieces of equipment during construction. The manufacturer called me a few weeks ago, and shared as a experiment he went to Best Buy and purchased a $199 Sony receiver. He went through it, mechanical connections, painted cap tops, fuse. I think he said he spent about a hour or so inside. He was very taken back as to the sound. Same type of relaxed organic sound signature that you get with better components. |
To be clear, I am not saying that if I had a fine, highly resolving system like many here, that I would not hear the difference and love the product. My system is just not resolving enough at this time for me to worry about my connections. I do believe that when Tim recoups his investment and if he can lower the price a bit that sales will dramatically increase. A lower price, even if for a smaller volume of product, has been requested by a number of the posters. |
Hi fleschler, I don’t understand why you need to talk so negatively about Wolf and the "other slanderous trolls", he seems like a experienced and honest person. To judge someone by their view of a material object seems closed minded. I guess another way to look at it is that viewing the TC A’gon sales ad, if I understand it correctly, 56 vials of the product has been sold as of now. Yet there have been over 80,000 views and 2,000 posts on this thread. So it appears that some of the 56 people who bought the product are repeating themselves, and are not really convincing many others to buy the product. The majority of viewers and posters appear to not care enough about micro arching to spend $300 on it, not unlike Wolf. And for the record, I hope Tim and TC continued success, but what you 56 people think about anyone on this forum who is expressing their opinion is not relevant, that is why this forum exists. Just one person's opinion. |
I think Wolf left the forum for a while when other slanderous trolls inhabited it earlier this year. Now he's back and their gone (or just gleefully enjoying him). Who would want to know a person with his attitude? Only others like him might tolerate him. He spews invective against a product he hasn't tried and claims absurd medical "facts" that are blatantly untrue. Yech! |
What surprised me was a facebook video of the use of a graphene web filter system for water purification. It is being tested for use in impoverished areas whereby filtering seawater is instantly made into fresh, potable water without using a pressure system such as reverse osmosis. Engineers are thinking that graphene can be used without adverse health effect. Interesting. https://www.nature.com/articles/am2017135 There are many other references one can google too. |
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Dude, you wouldn’t know a true "hard sell" if it hit you upside the head. A truly skilled salesperson can apply so much "pressure" in a sales situation that blood streams down the walls. As the prospects leave, their final comment to the salesperson is ... "Do you know what we like about doing business with you? ... You are so calm and low pressure. Thanks for helping us make the right decision." I don’t expect you to believe the above Wolfie ... but its coming from someone with 50 years of experience in the selling field. I’ve seen ’em come ... and I’ve seen ’em go. :-) Frank |
Read my lips. Risks are speculative. “Andrew Maynard, *Director of the Risk Science Center at the University of Michigan* is not entirely convinced that there is an issue. “Donaldson’s work certainly demonstrates the potential for graphene flakes to present a health risk if they are able to be inhaled and enter the lungs, or penetrate to the region surrounding the lungs. But that is a big ‘if’,” he told Materials Today. Pharyngeal aspiration delivers particles – or platelets flakes – to the lungs within liquid droplets and the droplets determine where the material is deposited. “This allows early experimentation on what could occur if the material could enter the lungs under handling and use,” Maynard adds. “But it doesn’t provide information on the plausibility of exposure occurring.” We do not yet know whether graphene flakes can become airborne and inhaled in a form that is dangerous during use.” Questions concerning health risks – while important – remain speculative,” Maynard says.” Case closed. - Your friend and humble scribe |
The point is anyone can talk out their rear like the liar fear monger stalking this thread. All he has is the BS cancer scare. "Look it up" I did, but let me guess he's not a good enough Doctor for you, RIGHT? Andrew Maynard, Director of the Risk Science Center at the University of Michigan is not entirely convinced that there is an issue. “Donaldson's work certainly demonstrates the potential for graphene flakes to present a health risk if they are able to be inhaled and enter the lungs, or penetrate to the region surrounding the lungs. But that is a big ‘if’,” he told Materials Today. Pharyngeal aspiration delivers particles – or platelets flakes – to the lungs within liquid droplets and the droplets determine where the material is deposited. “This allows early experimentation on what could occur if the material could enter the lungs under handling and use,” Maynard adds. “But it doesn't provide information on the plausibility of exposure occurring.” We do not yet know whether graphene flakes can become airborne and inhaled in a form that is dangerous during use.” Questions concerning health risks – while important – remain speculative,” Maynard says. |
Look up graphene and you can see piles of studies and lab results including very disturbing carcinogenic properties...you're welcome. And to be specific regarding "not caring" about the fanboy responses, it was clearly said in the context of my opposition to using a discussion forum for an inappropriate hard sell opportunity led by you, Frank. Tim gets 3 grand for every 10 packs of TC he sells so I imagine he eats...I just hope he washes his hands first. |
What carcinogenic properties are you referring to Wolf? What testing have you done to come to the conclusion that anything about TC is carcinogenic? Surely, you have ordered a tube yourself, taken it to a lab for testing in order to come to your conclusion, no? Please post your lab results.
Again, you sound really sure of your position ... post the lab results. If you can't supply your lab results, then your "opinion" has no relevance here.
Really? You don't care? Well, okay ... if you don't care, other than being an attention whore, why do you continue spewing out your nonsense in this thread? Frank |
Geez, guys. You don’t seem to understand how the internet works. You have to learn how to play the game. All y’all are feeding the trolls. Just because someone says it’s carcinogenic doesn’t mean it is. Relax. There is no evidence after many years of Graphene safety research that it’s carcinogenic. That’s why I said it’s the last resort of the dedicated troll to use the cancer ploy. |
Other than noting the carcinogenic properties of the graphene in TC, I've simply taken to task the lack of any ethical boundaries regarding the promotion of TC in a discussion forum, and noted that I'm clearly just not interested in the product as it's expensive, carcinogenic, and something I feel I don't need. People who have spent 300 bucks on it state it's "fabulous" using the hyperbole typical of this sort of magic audio panacea, and if others need to believe these claims I simply don't care as my ears are used to the din of micro arcing. So now old Tim is threatening me with libel? Nice try, and I utterly welcome such a claim as any third party looking at this thread would likely be astonished at the hard sell and marketing here that goes far beyond typical audio conversation. Hey, I might look into the licensing, regulation, postal or shipping regulations, and consumer protection laws (after all, it's carcinogenic!) that may apply to selling TC in your state. Could be fun! Keep your personal threats to yourself Tim, as you're only further damaging your own credibility with unhinged and irrelevant comments. |
Problem is this. I agree with everything you said. However, Tim would be wasting his time and money legally as it common and usual to have skeptics in these hobby forums and no harm is being done legally. Go back and read Wolf’s posts and see it is just like all other skeptic posts here and throughout the net. That simple. His posts are common and usual. I think his posts are in poor taste, but legally he has the right and freedom to be a skeptic in this medium. Tim is not blowing smoke, but he will be blowing money. He would be far better served having his product tested for safety and then acting accordingly based on the independent results. This is the only place Wolf comes near to causing harm. Since this testing has not been done Wolf is fine. The legal standard of proving harm is a hurdle Tim cannot come close to clearing here. |
Grannyring ... Its great that you’re enjoying the benefits of TC. As tommylion said above, its helping a lot of us, including you and me, to attain heights in our modest systems that can only be achieved by the mega-buck systems. Tim Mrock deserves every bit of success he can garner from his product. Why? .... Because he is helping a whole lot of other people get what THEY want first, which is a much better sounding audio system at a very reasonable cost. With that said, and with all due respect, I’d like to address your post regarding Wolf Garcia: This is a public forum, not unlike a public square. Imagine someone standing on a soapbox spewing untruths, outright lies and making derogatory remarks in order to discourage everyone listening in the public square from doing business with Costco for example. Can you imagine Costco putting up with a person shouting to the rooftops in that public square that Costco sells rotten meat and has their registers set to overcharge its customers? That is slander in its purest form. At the very least, the liar in the public square would receive a cease and desist order from Costco’s attorneys. If that didn’t put a stop to the slander, then a lawsuit would ensue. Truth is one thing, lies are another. Yes, Wolf Garcia is entitled to his personal opinions, but when those opinions are based upon nothing but hot air and lies, and subsequently hurts the bottom line of a business, well, its time to put a stop to it. Why? Because the business is damaged by being financially hurt. I’m sure that Tim Mrock isn’t blowing smoke. I’m also sure he has contacted his attorney to come up with the opinion he posted above. I’m also certain that if Wolf Garcia knows what’s good for his own bottom line, he’d better cease and desist with statements that have no basis in fact. Frank |
It’s 8 weeks today since I treated the connections on the speaker side of my SCs. This means I have finally reached the 8 week mark on all the connections in my system. Sound is amazing. Prior to TC, the only way I would have envisioned myself hearing reproduction like this, is through someone else’s megabuck system, hoping I could afford it some day. |
Goodness this is just an audio thread. Wolf can say what he wants here. We may not like it because it is based on ignorance. I use the term ignorance in the sense that he has not used it and knows nothing about the product. Wolfe is a smart man and I often like his posts and humor in other threads. What he says here has no meaning or relevance in our legal system. None. This is an open hobbyist forum and that’s it. He is a skeptic and posts his skeptical views. Sure he does it in a colorful manner, but there is no real harm in it. The closest statement to potentially harming the brand is the proposed carcinogenic claim. However, TC has not gone through extensive testing in this parameter and thus his comments do not harm legally. I think TC is the single best audio product I have ever used in my system. Big fan of it. Love it. |
@wolf_garcia Defamation, calumny, vilification, or traducement is the communication of a false statement that, depending on the law of the country, harms the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government, religion, or nation.[1] Under common law, to constitute defamation, a claim must generally be false and must have been made to someone other than the person defamed.[2] Some common law jurisdictions also distinguish between spoken defamation, called slander, and defamation in other media such as printed words or images, called libel.[3] False light laws protect against statements which are not technically false, but which are misleading.[4] In some civil law jurisdictions, defamation is treated as a crime rather than a civil wrong.[5] The United Nations Human Rights Committee ruled in 2012 that the libel law of one country, the Philippines, was inconsistent with Article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, as well as urging that "State parties [to the Covenant] should consider the decriminalization of libel".[6] In Saudi Arabia, defamation of the state, or a past or present ruler, is punishable under terrorism legislation.[7] A person who defames another may be called a "defamer", "libeler", "slanderer", or rarely "famacide". The term "Libel" is derived from Latin "libellus" (literally, "small book' or "booklet"). Keep it up, and I promise to make you my next project! |
This thread has descended into a somewhat ridiculous and sort of gonzo weirdness, and further insures I will absolutely never support this stuff...playing the 94 year old blind mom card is simply bad taste and wreaks of desperation as did the "come to Vermont and l’ll bet you 500 bucks" thing. People seem willing to go to any length to push a product...amazing, and kind of sad. |
Some of us elders are blessed with good hearing. Nothing else seems to work though. When ever I’m out with friends my age, I seem to get elected as the designated hearing aid. They continue asking me ... "Eh, what’s that?"... "What did he say?" ... "Did you hear that??" :-) Frank PS: For all the dads ... I hope you all had a very nice Father's Day. |
She does have good hearing. Thankfully she does not need hearing aids. Never a need to repeat a statement when talking to her. Tweeks either help her enjoyment or they do not. Many are not implemented. She does not have a pro or anti bias toward any change. The why of how a change should happen or the cost is not discussed. In changing her Tube amp to the solid state Pass Lab amp safety was discussed as I worried she would burn herself turning off the tube amp. resolution 1: What a wonderful act to treat your Mother's TV. I am sure the audio quality has improved so that your Mother's enjoyment is better. I do hope all have a meaningful Father's Day. Treat yourself to a tube of Total Contact on this day of celebration instead of a tie! David Pritchard |
David Pritchard, My 86 year old mother went blind two about two years so it has been very trying for her as well. However she does like to listen to the TV since she never had interest in Hi-Fi. I treated the cable and the electrical chord to the TV when she was away at a doctors appointment. I never told her and never even asked her about it. About three months after treatment I noticed that the TV volume was set at 16 not 19. I hope your mother continues good health. rc |
For what it is worth, I am glad that OP brought TC to a forum on audiogon because I am enjoying music through my Hi-Fi like never before. As stated before, this is the first forum I have ever participated in. I do not know OP except through this forum. Further, I did not know Tim Mrock until I spoke to him. Once, prior to ordering the product and twice after I receiving it. Each time he has been responsive, gracious and informative. The product has performed far beyond what I thought it would for the price of one Shunyata Venum Defender, I have two and they have been treated with TC. I like the the stuff so much that I treated a dealer/friend of mine, small started system with TC for him to evaluate. I also discussed TC with another dealer/friend with over 35 years in the business and he said to let him know how it performs and ages in place. He has tried all the afore mentioned treatments mentioned from the beginning of this forum and is rightly skeptical. This is the main reason I have been conservative in my treatment of my most costly system components. The main concern he had was the long term performance and physical integrity of the material. He never called me delusional or any of the other names. He did however give me some specific things to watch out for. So far everything has been positive, but I will report if any performance or physical abnormalities present themselves. rc |
