Jazz for aficionados
Alex, "Ike Quebec" is the only artist I have everything that is and is not available by. When you listen to Ike, I might be listening to the same thing no matter what you're listening to, and I listen to the one's you submitted a lot. Correction Alex, I know I have the LP, "Congo Lament"; yes, that same "Easy Living" is on "Congo Lament", and as far as I'm concerned it's one of the best if not "the best". Enjoy the music. |
"Baby Face Willette", who got his name from looking at least 10 years younger than his chronological age, could make an organ produce frequency extremes and dynamic range higher and wider than anything that could be recorded. But his audience didn't come to hear what he had on record, they came to hear "Bird" on organ, which is how he sounded as he played at lightning speeds, not just notes, but coherent musical phrases. He looked like anything but a baby when he was performing with face and body contorted by the muse that had possessed him. "Now"! I recall sitting at a table with professional drummer "Kenny Rice", when I saw "Trane" go off into the far reaches of the galaxy. I looked at Kenny, eyes closed, a faint smile on his face, head nodding to the music, and I could tell he was right along side Trane on his journey to "Orion 7" or wherever; but they had left me behind; I wasn't left behind when "Face" played. Since "Face" never played live what was on records, I can only try to come close, and it's still a long way from what I heard; "Bird" on "Organ", which is something no equipment made can record; I can only give you what's on record. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNkag9AKgbA&list=PLPOxwexjsUr6B48cS4_SIp4MhU8b4VAn2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2ERGSEyBeM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJm2sTjSY4o Enjoy the music |
Rok, people from around the world will agree with you on "The Bright Mississippi", I listened to it all the way through. Here he is all the way live. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4frYZXc9tQ Enjoy the music. |
"Manu Dibango", now there's a name I don't believe I've seen on this forum; he's known for "Soul Makasa". Let us go to "Wikipedia" to find out more about Manu Dibango. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2jYjUiulMQ Dibango was born in Douala, Cameroon. His father, Michel Manfred N'Djoké Dibango was a civil servant. The son of a farmer, he met his wife travelling by pirogue to her residence, Douala. A literate woman, she was a fashion designer, running her own small business. Both her ethnicity, the Duala, and his, the Yabassi, viewed this union of different ethnic groups with some disdain. Emmanuel had no siblings, although he had a stepbrother from his father's previous marriage who was four years older than he was. In Cameroon, one's ethnicity is dictated by their fathers, though he wrote in his autobiography, Three Kilos of Coffee, that he has never been able to identify completely with either of parents. Dibango's uncle was the leader of his extended family. Upon his death, Dibango's father refused to take over, as he never fully initiated his son into the Yabassi's customs. Throughout his childhood, Dibango slowly forgot the Yabassi language in favour of the Duala. However, his family did live in the Yabassi encampment on the Yabassi plateau, close to the Wouri River in central Douala. While a child, Dibango attended Protestant church every night for religious education, or nkouaida. He enjoyed studying music there, and reportedly was a fast learner. In 1941, after being educated at his village school, Dibango was accepted into a colonial school, near his home, where he learned French. He admired the teacher, whom he described as "an extraordinary draftsman and painter." In 1944, French president Charles de Gaulle chose this school to perform the welcoming ceremonies upon his arrival in Cameroon. Career He was a member of the seminal Congolese rumba group African Jazz, and has collaborated with many other musicians, including Fania All Stars, Fela Kuti, Herbie Hancock, Bill Laswell, Bernie Worrell, Ladysmith Black Mambazo, King Sunny Adé, Don Cherry, and Sly and Robbie. In 1998 he recorded the album CubAfrica with Cuban artist Eliades Ochoa. In 1973, this was the "kicker" on the jukebox, it got the party started and the hips swinging; I like the album cover too, that style defined 1973. Enjoy the music. |
I thought this was "Trane", he looks like "Trane" from the side view, and they all sound similar to the group I saw; they sound more like "Trane" live, which is what he sounded like on his later records; musicians play freer live than on records, which is a good thing, because what they play live often does not sound good on records. Judging from the comments, somebody else initially made the same mistake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrX3prSAl1Y There's no doubt about Donald Harrison's intent on this one, and he succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. Enjoy the music. |
Currently, when you get past those two, from what I've been able to find, "quality music" is not that common in Africa. There seems to be a common thread running through music all over the globe; I attribute this to the PC. Right now I'm exploring France; this is most interesting, and it's uncommon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZx1Mrt-35k Get back to you when I find "Da bomb". Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, you're the joke; if you had stayed on this thread, which is the only one where you fit, you would be "hip" enough to follow the inside joke without explanation; but you chose to bounce around. Now you're like the "prodigal son" discontent in any way you turn. Just keep turning and which way is best will come to you. Don't forget to enjoy the music while you're turning. |
Frogman when I saw "Trane" he was playing a "Soprano Sax" and this is what the group looked like. The nice part was the fact that it was in a small club and I was no more than 20 feet away from the group. As I recall "My Favorite Things" was over a half hour long, because "Trane" went off into his "private thing" to parts unknown. Now I ask you does that look like any kind of a "Sax"? No, it looks like a clarinet. Envy is eating you alive Frogman because you never saw Trane playing any kind of sax. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kPXw6YaCEY I didn't see Trane in some "monster auditorium" or huge place like this one, but in an intimate night club where I sat at a table with another couple, a professional drummer, and a beautiful sexy lady; it was the kind of setting you dream about. Since you like to check details, the name of the club was "Gino's" in St. Louis. You have been claiming to have heard Trane live since this thread's inception. Now we learn, as I always suspected, that it was, as you say, an "overstatement" (lie). Bottom line: wether he had heard Trane live or not, any true "aficionado" would have been able to tell it was not Trane in the video for a variety of reasons: alto not tenor, rhythm personell, electric guitar player (?!), video quality (way too modern); oh yeah, and a minor detail, the saxophone playing itself is clearly not Trane's. As far as your comment about being "hip", please don't embarrass yourself any more than you already have. Now you're saying my claim to have seen Trane was a lie. I can only say, "Peace be with you Frogman". |
Rok, that was a highly relevant question in regard to where the "new jazz" was created. When I was traveling a lot, and going to clubs, the music was different everywhere I went. In none of the places would I consider the new music any better, it was all good, just different; Atlanta was different from LA, and Chicago different from St. Louis. Although I've never been to New York, they seem to think what ever originates there has or should set the standard; "It ain't necessarily so." There was even a difference in jazz from E. St. Louis and St. Louis, Mo. The jazz from E. St. Louis was the most individualistic, it was the most "Afrocentric", while jazz from the other side of the river was what you call "jazz jazz"; closer connected to "Bird" and that lineage. Jazz from E. St. Louis had no lineage, which is why when I went to a new lounge and heard a new group, I was floored; they used instruments like the African finger piano, and unusual drums. The only group I know from St. Louis that has recorded and played consistently over the years, that I heard a lot live, was the "Trio Trebien". There is no group I've heard live more times than I've heard these guys. This same tune on my CD sounds much better; while I like everything on the CD, this is my favorite tune. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo1umU82ZAU I don't approach music from an intellectual point of view; Ambrose's music seemed to wander, at times like one band was playing two different tunes. Maybe at another time in a different mood I might like it. Rok, I know your thoughts on later day Trane and Miles. Enjoy the music. |
Is this hot or what, and that wasn't a joke. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKsdd8NSr7I Is Eliane Elias hot, or what? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcuko4vpqBM Enjoy the music. |
Rok, I got my CD out, and it's easy for me to see how "Tender Hearted" is your favorite; it has a subtle "Gospel grace" that came from deep within the heart of the artists. Those musicians are well known and loved in this community; "Tender Hearted" was a projection of who they are, as well as the people who they associate with. When I listened to my CD, it was easy for me to understand Frogman's criticisms; that "youtube" had so much distortion that Jeter's playing louder for contrast and emphasis sounded like banging. Sorry I couldn't find a better "you tube". Enjoy the music. |
This is what I call "stereotypical jazz", and I can live without it. It was hip 50 years ago, but it's like having roast beef and potatoes one time too many for me; case closed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN9nqXfMxjI&list=PLdhGk7gKuZxZvk7CRjF26CROuv0O2Nfai Enjoy the music. |
Rok, this is just one of the albums I listen to when I wander off the jazz reservation. The St. Louis main Library is a huge building a city block square, and I don't how tall; they have some of the most amazing old books hundreds of years old. I checked out this one book written buy an anthropologist who lived with the aborigines about a hundred or so years ago, this was when they communicated over long distances telepathically, and they never lived inside any kind of dwelling, including a tent. Any kind of jail sentence was a death sentence; those people had to be able to see the stars, and feel a campfire. "Brolga", music near the end of this CD, sounds closest to music I have that was recorded at a "corroboree"; that's what I play when I go completely native, and get into the "Dreamtime". Listen to this music and travel to the "Dreamtime". https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dr+didg+out+of+the+woods+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGD7nFKFen8 Enjoy the music. |
Frogman and Rok, Miles said the same thing I said about his own music; I've been going through his autobiography trying to find his exact words, but he said he couldn't stand to play that kind of music anymore, the kind him, Bird, and Diz played. As I stated at the beginning, the music was off the "jazz reservation", but was intended to lead to the "aboriginal reservation". If you and Rok had gone on to "Corroboree", and not even stop at the end, but let "you tube" lead you on wherever it took you, then you would have discovered my intent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGD7nFKFen8 Enjoy the Corroboree. |
When it came to jazz with an African twist, nobody could do it like "Art Blakey". Every time I see this LP cover, I know what I'm going to hear; the best African drumming in or out of Africa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu_L5CNlo60&list=PLAFA1557EAD0A6D6D Drumming in Africa was meant to go with dance, they had a different dance for everything, including religious worship and celebration. I had a friend who belonged to Katherine Dunham's dance troupe, and I saw them practice a lot. African drumming and dance go together like ham and eggs, once you get used to them together, you can't have one without the other; "Now that you've brought my ham, where's my eggs," or vice versa. This is my favorite number by my favorite African trumpet player, "Hugh Masekela". What we see here dramatizes "Stimela" in dance, I find it captivating. This choreography is a tribute to Kathryn Dunham". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SuwmE3JM0A Here we have the "authentic drumming" from Haiti. There is a sacred museum of sorts in Haiti where the curator has these sacred drumbeats from Africa that go back before slavery. They are stored in a kind of code; this drumming goes with the dance it's meant to accompany. In order to put the drum code and dance together, he would have to travel with you to Cuba and Brazil for sure, but they have to make a match. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqP0s9MBuoo&list=RDrqP0s9MBuoo#t=7 This dance in Cuba might to the uninitiated might look like flinging around and jumping to the beat, but it's just as structured as any European dance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRNEVAzaX9s I suppose the Cuban dancers come closest to what I saw practiced by the Katherine Dunham dancers. No that's not a mismatch, Katherine was a dance "anthropologist", in addition to being a dance teacher. All of these dances originated in Africa where she studied. What I saw practiced by the Katherine Dunham dancers was better than anything I've seen at the movies or on television when it came to African dance. There was an exhibit with a long film of them practicing at the museum in St. Louis ages ago, and tears came to my eyes when I realized I was young lean and flexible, just like those dancers, when this was being filmed, and I recognized some of the dancers. Enjoy the music. |
Here's Blakey again with one of my favorite tunes. Oscar Pettiford, the man who wrote this, is my favorite bassist, and out of the many versions, this is the best. "Cubano Chant" is another one of my favorite tunes; "what the hay, I like everything on this album", this was written by Ray Bryant, who appears on piano. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoqCGc12Rog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7l9jnyhRnc "Nica's Tempo" catches "Jackie McClean" in his very best form. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvRy9oR-cgg Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, I have Miles for whatever mood I'm in on any given day. Today I'm in the mood for this Miles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-EgyUcHSSQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCp4Yb8NaxA Enjoy the music. |
Rok, Harold Land has been with me every since this never ending journey began in Chicago at my cousins apartment. This was like in 56, and he had every boss jazz LP that was recorded up until that time. Although I've tried hard to duplicate his collection, it's impossible; but Brown and Roach with Harold Land are available. My favorite cut on that LP was "Delilah". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt_fmhtePoc Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, this is my "Miles Mood" today. The record is much better recorded than this video, but you can't have everything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG9wHUXcih4 This is a clip about the new movie on Miles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-w9xaKjCmU You be the critic. Enjoy the music. |
Frogman and Rok, I disagree 300% with the both of you. What's wrong with this country is highly intelligent, college educated men going around with "sunshine glasses", when we have welfare for corporations, but nothing for the poor, that's economic injustice; however, I don't advise openly taking my view because "big brother" is watching and listening. Now back to our regular program; "speaking of sunshine", Charenee Wade brings me sunshine. "Ackman" originally brought this to my attention. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JabrQh5vql4 Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, I hope you're having a happy Thanksgiving, a lot of people aren't. Can you add subtract, and multiply; I can, and so can this man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNyBLLcEIds The Pentagon................. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ez8I8VGLNUw Senator Bernie Sanders.............. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmijFEF5Fk8 I'll wait for your response.........After this I'll give you more. |
Frogman, take off your blinders, this is a new reality, unlike anything in the past; the fact that it's not happening is the "new propaganda". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bUaHIIxh50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obho7uBg3-A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFfUl8dHncE Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, eat a lot of turkey, and have a "HAPPY THANKSGIVING!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dvtigCGkOY |
Our house is the one with the big turkey and the feast. That's been going on so long that those who were kids have teenagers of their own whose names I can't remember. When I meet one face to face, I'll mumble what I think is their name, and they'll smile, but I also detect a grin at a private joke (he can't remember my name). In regard to political issues, this gathering is no different from this forum; we don't agree, but we knew that before they came, although this is only since Obama was elected. The very best thing about this Thanksgiving is: after I said the blessing, I found a comfortable spot outside all traffic lanes, and stayed there the entire evening, while guests made themselves at home, and to my amazement they had no problem with that. We'll look to Frogman for musical direction. Enjoy the music. |
This is my musical contribution for the evening; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puN0ebZfT_k This makes me wish I could dance. Can all Cubans dance? That may seem like a dumb question, but I never met one who couldn't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqs99W-8YGw While I'm not into the religion, I certainly like the music and dance that go with the religion. How about just dance and music? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGYqXwi4QXU This is Ravi Shankar's daughter; "Ain't she pretty"! This is a most unusual combination; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbhF3g4wI_w Enjoy the music. |
The great thing about jazz is that no matter how many times you have heard certain records, they can still stand "one mo listen"; that's the case with "Haute Mon" duets. Another album is "Soul Brothers": Ray Charles – piano, electric piano, alto saxophone Milt Jackson – piano, vibraphone Billy Mitchell – tenor saxophone Connie Kay – drums Oscar Pettiford – bass Skeeter Best – guitar Kenny Burrell – guitar But with a cast like that, what could go wrong; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUnID70IU-g Enjoy the music. |
I can not believe I do not have this album in my collection. That will be corrected. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWKsMYDIOQc Enjoy the music. |
Rok, and Frogman, I did volunteer work for Larry Rice at his big homeless shelter right here in St. Louis. I helped put up the TV station. There were very few "normal" people at that big shelter. It was composed primarily of winos, and people who should have been in a mental institution, normal people who had fallen on hard times were in and out. That I believe was in 85. Now, 90% of the people in shelters seem "normal" and some even better educated; that's not at all normal. I posted this to let you guys know that I'm repressing my opinion of what you think about this subject, not to start a new conversation. Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, I liked "Never Let Me Go" better than lush life, too much "fluff" in the music at the beginning, but since her voice had that diamond sparkle of youth it still sounded good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy4YvDBGRo0 Enjoy the music. |
This is the big band version of "Con Alma" [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_deUsa0tGk[/url] Enjoy the music. |
Rok, I was thinking those same thoughts before I read your post. Nice easy listening music, but not nice enough for me to rush out and buy it. After acquiring the best jazz of two decades, we're kind of hard to please. I like to listen, and then go through Nica's book, it seems as though I'm looking at old friends. As a matter of fact I've been looking at some other photo books, but after Nica's I feel that I would be disappointed. Clark Terry's "Color Changes" is not for casual listners, it's to be savored, like the kind of cognac you pour in a brandy snifter, it's got some heavy personnel; Clark Terry - trumpet, flugelhorn Yusef Lateef - tenor saxophone, flute, English horn, oboe Seldon Powell - tenor saxophone, flute Julius Watkins - French horn Jimmy Knepper - trombone Tommy Flanagan - piano Budd Johnson - piano (track 6) Joe Benjamin - bass Ed Shaughnessy - drums Julius Watkins was with Miles and Gil Evans, it's not often you hear French horn in jazz. I like Yusef Lateef best on those strange kind of flutes he plays. I'm not quite sure where we go from here, but I've been hearing some interesting female vocalists on the jazz station. If you think of anything, post it. Enjoy the music. |
I've got that on record, with a big pretty picture of Randy; that's the only thing I miss about records. Her voice is smooth as silk, and the music behind her is fantastic on "Give Me The Night". That always reminds me of Atlanta, "The New York of the South", it was a fun town during the disco era. I've been hearing some new female vocalists on this jazz station, but I have to get their play list in order to know who I'm listening to; they just play one song after another without announcing who it is. But pickings from the known female vocalists is slim. Randy was a nice change of pace for me, it doesn't seem like she's been around that long. Enjoy the music. |
Instead of posting, I decided to "re-post" your's Seems like I have seen or been in this movie before. A certain person throws a hissy-fit, and storms off the thread. Then we have all these previously unknown and unheard 'supporters' 'coming forward' to say things like "you did your best", "they are beyond help", "why do you even bother", "you fought the good fight", etc........ oops almost forget the most dreaded of all "they are arrogant". Now I have asked this question before, with no answer. There is never an answer. But, since you are sort of new as a poster I thought maybe you could answer this question. Exactly what is it that certain people are trying to teach us, that we, because of our ignorance and / or arrogance just don't seem to get? If I knew the answer to this, perhaps the whole thread would be different and more civil. Please answer if you feel you can. And in DETAIL with examples. I would also like the answer to those questions. |
Rok, the violin and guitar definitely play a large roll in French jazz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it_JlVlR8JQ |
Rok, you asked the questions at 02:09PM and I re-posted your question at 03:56 PM,and it is now 08:25PM. When are we going to get answers? I'm patient, I can wait till the swallows come back to Capistrano, or the cows come home, whichever comes first. Do you think your questions will get answered? In the meantime, enjoy the music, I know I am |
Learsfool, I have had a number of musician friends, and none of them tried to educate me in music. Rok, wanted to know something about music and you answered his questions, that's good. FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME, I DO NOT KNOW SQUAT ABOUT MUSIC, NOR DO I WANT TO KNOW SQUAT ABOUT MUSIC; IS THAT CLEAR, FROGMAN, LEARSFOOL, AND EVERYONE ELSE ON "AUDIOGON". |
Rok, Acman, Jafant, Alex, and any others who consider themselves "Jazz Aficionados", WSIE 88.7 FM, has an online play list. http://streaming.siue.edu:8001/whats_playing You can also hear it online. Awhile back, I complained their jazz menu was too "stereotypical", but they've changed and have more of a varied menu now; it's quite listenable. Enjoy the music. |
Alex, you're absolutely correct on that "Pike's Peak" album. Rok and I concurred that those other albums were real nice, just not outstanding. When you mentioned French and Belgium, that reminded me of Hercule Periot, the famous detective, who was always having to correct people that he was Belgium, and not French. It seems Rene Thomas is Belgium also. I really like that clip, I'll have to find and add it to my collection. I'm glad I can always come back to your post. That organ added a different touch that I liked. "Bags Groove" had two musicians that are new to me; Sacha Distel on guitar, and Barney Wilen on tenor sax, they both sounded good, and Kenny Clark on drums kept it altogether. You have a very nice collection. Thanks for the fine posts. Enjoy the music |
Rok, I've been comparing "Mary Lou Williams" to "Bird". Not to "Bird" personally but to his era and beyond. One of the reasons I'm doing this is because I was so late in discovering Mary Lou. Since she came from the swing era, I assumed her music would reflect that fact; Tommy Dorsey, Benny Goodman, Earl 'Fatha' Hines, and Duke Ellington. As famous as those people are, they are not my cup of tea; more my parents cup of tea. That's why I define music "Before Bird", and After Bird; BB and AB. "Bird" revolutionized jazz, and that's an undeniable fact. My point is that Mary Lou Williams was so advanced that her music is more akin to Birds music than to the swing era. Let's compare her "It ain't Necessarily So" with Miles take on the same tune. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4THBVc47ug Although she came from the swing era, this is as hip as it gets. She's got just the right touch. Next the same tune by Miles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-EgyUcHSSQ Before we discovered Mary Lou Williams, I thought Miles's was the hippest version of that tune, but now I'm not so sure. Any way you look at it, she was incredibly advanced, and I still can't figure why I'm so late in discovering her. Enjoy the music. |
