Art Blakey would not have wound up poverty stricken, if he had quit hitting on "Nica". He didn't realize she was a 'Baroness' or didn't know what that meant. Rich Americans pay a fortune to get a title like that by marrying someone with a title. She was trying to help manage his affairs, and he was hitting on the lady. She could take a bath with nothing but a cigarette in her cigarette holder, listening to Monk and Miles, or whoever happened to be jamming downstairs, and no one would dare take a peek. She went to the worst neighborhoods in New York ( so bad that cops wouldn't even go to them), and let the winos guard her Bentley while she took in the set at a reserved table.
It would seem that would have told Blakey something; but no, not until the lady got tired of trying to help him, and I don't think he realized even then what went down; but I was told that drummers aren't the brightest bulbs.
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Rok, don't waste your time writing a good long post; it doesn't matter what we come up with, they're going to shoot it down.
My last two posts were of good, current jazz CD's that I had purchased and reviewed; they simply overlooked them and kept on harping about us not posting current music.
This is a coalition of the negatives; I call it "Attack of The Negatrons".
Spend your valuable time listening to the good new music we have acquired this year, and now that we have so many of their photographs in Nica's book, we can enjoy their music even more. Have a "Happy New Year" and don't forget "Enjoy the music".
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Cal Tjader is one of my favorite musicians from a long time back, that I have overlooked. He was known as the most successful non latin, latin musician; that's because he explored so many other idioms, but never abandoned the music of Cuba, Although he primarily played the vibraphone he was accomplished on the drums, bongos and piano. He won a "Grammy" in 1980 for his album "La Onda Va Bien"va bien, capping off a career that spanned over forty years. [url] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRVdzzMgco0&list=PL5br3wjmUMVVzXpuBfvkC7nMDjxGTrI3I[/url]That was his version of "Speak Low", it is one beautiful tune. I've followed his music through the years, and never got bored or tired of his sound. Tjader worked with Donald Byrd, Lalo Schifrin, Anita O'Day, Willie Bobo, Armando Peraza, a young Chick Corea, Clare Fischer, Jimmy Heath, Kenny Burrell, and others. Tjader recorded with big band orchestras for the first time, and even made an album based on Asian scales and rhythms. His biggest success was "Soul Sauce". [url] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rSNqhEWH9M[/url]Here is the album I wore out; it's laid back and hip at the same time; with Cal and Charlie Byrd, what else could it be? Sharing my music with you, is like having you over for a listening session. Enjoy the music. |
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Rok, Milt Jackson and Cal Tjader are Apples and Oranges; Milt Jackson is to vibes what Bird was to alto sax; it's futile to compare them to anyone else.
Cal Tjader runs Hot and cool, it depends on your mood what you want at the time; "Cubano Chant" is hot, while "Laura" by him is cool.
Rok, I think you need to forget about the light bulb; just look through your collection and find out what floats your boat at that time. As far as acquiring new music, you got "you tube", and this thread, so you know what you're getting before you get it; I believe your problems are solved.
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Rok, most new jazz is "smooth jazz", and that's not Frogman's favorite genre, and he found the two examples I gave; let's let him speak, "I find those two examples to not be very good examples of the genre. As much grief as smooth jazz gets from some, the fact is that some smooth jazz artists are terrific musicians and in most ways stick to the spirit of jazz in having a strong sense of spontaneity, improvisation and instrumental ability; not those guys, sorry. I find those two examples to be extremely formulaic and the music sounds as if they stick strictly to a written out or pre-determined template. I would bet you that if you heard them play those tunes live they would sound EXACTLY the same as they do on those clips; not the case with some other musicians in the genre.
Those are Frogman's exact words, now what do you have to say to that? You know what Rok, I agree with Frogman, "cool jazz" is, in his words "formulaic" and the jams sound as though they had a cookie cutter for music, and they rolled em off an assembly line or "pre-determined template" as he put it.
Maybe he can show us how one "cool jazz" differs from another; I'm looking forward to that.
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Schubert, we are all products of "The Phenomenology of Geist" therefore we listen to what resonates with our inner being, our spirit, that's why "our" music, that which resonates with our souls makes us feel good.
Enjoy your music, whether it's new or old, live or dead.
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For some reason Judy Garland reminds me of when St. Louis was really a grand city; that's when we had street-cars, and large 3 story red brick homes on boulevards with grassy areas in the middle that looked like small parks. I spent weekends with a cousin who lived in one of those grand homes. Even today, I never miss "The Wizard od Oz". [url] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmx1L8G25q4[/url]Enjoy the music. |
Rok, under the topic of music, there are 3 threads that don't even discuss music. I really don't know what they're discussing; I'll give you the titles and you can discern it for yourself.
1. When rap came out 30 years ago I thought it was just a fad
2. Why do people who are into rap and hip-hop even want a high-end audio system
3. Should we use ridiculously priced cables to listen to Rap?
These three threads are under the topic of music. Is number 1 a philosophical question, or what?
Number 2; why don't they take a hip-hop rap survey?
Number 3; I wouldn't use ridiculously priced cables to listen to anything.
I consider these three threads as an indication to how bad current music sucks.
Ok, O-10 seem upset that those clips were ignored. Speaking for myself, the reason is simple, I didn’t want to open yet another can of worms. But if you insist: I will admit that "Smooth Jazz" is not my favorite genre, but I have room for it generally and some of it can be a heck of a lot of fun. But, I find those two examples to not be very good examples of the genre. As much grief as smooth jazz gets from some, the fact is that some smooth jazz artists are terrific musicians and in most ways stick to the spirit of jazz in having a strong sense of spontaneity, improvisation and instrumental ability; not those guys, sorry. I find those two examples to be extremely formulaic and the music sounds as if they stick strictly to a written out or pre-determined template. I would bet you that if you heard them play those tunes live they would sound EXACTLY the same as they do on those clips; not the case with some other musicians in the genre.
When I found good "old jazz", Frogman knocked it. When I found "new jazz", Frogman knocked it, but he doesn't have a problem with those three threads.
What do you think is the solution Rok; I'm totally lost.
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Rok, I got sidetracked, but now I'm going through posts. Arturo O' Farrill, Afro Cuban Jazz with a whole lot of soul; "Blues Guaguanco" is smokin, it's all the way live; I can dig it, got to git it. [url] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCB52YOghww[/url]"Mox Nix", I know you heard this expression a lot in Germany. This jam takes me back to the past when I put a quarter in the juke box and the hippest jam on the box popped up; Benny Golson in his prime, can you dig it? [url] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py7URoogRj0[/url]All this mediocre music that Frogman is praising is giving me an upset digestive tract, I can't handle anymore of it; it's time for a brandy (not since last year). Let me see what's "Killer Joe" up to? [url] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u23Etcb-L9M[/url]"Killer Joe" is too cool for words. 10-4 over and out. |
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Well Frogman, I'm glad you could squeeze in.
That's one of the best, if not the best "hard bop" record in my collection.
Since you have indicated that you are definitely a "connoisseur" of that genre, I'll see what else I can find.
Enjoy the music.
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I saw "Ain't Misbehavin'" in St. Louis with a local cast; it was fantastic, the different cast was very energetic, and I enjoyed their performance to the max.
This original cast is one that can never be duplicated; it's the one all others will be compared with.
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"Fuego" in Spanish, means fire, and this album is smoking; where there's smoke, there's fire. This album was recorded on October 4, 1959, at Rudy's studio; needles to say, when speaking of recordings, there is only one "Rudy". We have discussed Donald Byrd many times, and in different genres. While the music was different, it was always good; he's the consummate musician. He never played anything but "jazz" for the period it lasted, and that was a long time. When times changed, he changed. Where I'm coming from is so many musicians had to play R&B when jazz was where there hearts were, a guy has got to make a living; Donald Byrd never had to play anything but jazz for that long period of time. Back to "Fuego"; this is "hard bop" at it's best, even when you can't precisely define it, you know it when you hear it, when you hear those polished notes emanating from Byrd's trumpet at a race horse pace, you know you are off to the races. He has a supporting cast of Jackie McLean, alto sax; Duke Pearson, piano; Doug Watkins, bass, and Lex Humphries, drums. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktAPvHQmHIcEnjoy the music. |
I haven't stopped laughing yet; every time I stop, I feel another chuckle coming on.
I picture Frogman burning the midnight oil by a small lamp, and it starts all over again.
"Flying off the shelves in Japan", I might never stop laughing.
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Fellow "Aficionados" I'm trying to get a feel for the recordings made in 1960, 61 and 62. I'm not going to provide links for these recordings because if you are a jazz aficionado, they should be in your collection, just pull them out and give a listen. First I want to establish the jazz mood for that period of time, next I want you to compare that to these "Grant Green" albums that I ordered which were not released, and I want you to give me your honest evaluation in regard to the mood at that time in regard to jazz in general. The question is, were these albums by Grant Green so out of step, that you, yourself would not release them if that was your decision to make. Remember, you are not comparing this album to that album, but the general mood of the jazz buying public, that is the question you're trying to answer. Since we've recently had a heated debate about this, they (the debaters) probably think I'm trying to win an argument, when all I'm trying to do, is get some valid answers, and there is no better way to get them than to ask anyone who reads this thread for the answer. Since there is a possibility you haven't heard the Grant Green, Sonny Clark albums, I'll provide them for you to compare with other prominent jazz musicians who put out albums at about that time. Disc 1 "Airegin" (Sonny Rollins) - 7:32 "It Ain't Necessarily So" (Gershwin, Gershwin) - 10:22 "I Concentrate on You" (Porter) - 5:48 "The Things We Did Last Summer" (Cahn, Styne) - 5:56 "The Song Is You" (Hammerstein II, Kern) - 7:46 "Nancy (With the Laughing Face)" (Van Heusen, Silvers) - 6:25 "Airegin" [Alternative Take] - 7:37 "On Green Dolphin Street" (Kaper, Washington) - 6:26 "Shadrack" (MacGimsey) - 6:23 "What Is This Thing Called Love?" (Porter) - 5:50 Disc two "Moon River" (Mancini, Mercer) - 5:37 "Gooden's Corner" - 8:14 "Two for One" - 7:41 "Oleo" (Sonny Rollins) – 5:37 "Little Girl Blue" (Hart, Rodgers) – 7:15 "Tune-Up" (Eddie Vinson) – 7:19 "Hip Funk" (Green) – 8:39 "My Favorite Things" (Hammerstein II, Rodgers) – 8:32 "Oleo" [Alternative Take] - 6:00 Personnel[edit] Grant Green - guitar Miles Davis 1961 "Sketches of Spain" and "Someday My Prince Will Come" Art Blakey and the messengers Lee Morgan, Bobby Timmons, Bennie Golson, Jymie Merit "Moanin, Blues March, and Along came Betty." John Coltrane 1961 John Coltrane — soprano and tenor saxophone Eric Dolphy — bass clarinet, alto saxophone McCoy Tyner — piano Reggie Workman — bass Jimmy Garrison — bass Elvin Jones — drums Garvin Bushell — probably cor anglais (described wrongly in the disc notes as an oboe),[7] contrabassoon Ahmed Abdul-Malik — probably tanpura (described wrongly in the disc notes as an oud)[7] Roy Haynes — drums 1961 village vanguard recordings Yusef Lateef 1961 recordings Eastern sounds I'm going to provide links for songs you're familiar with like : "It ain't Necesarily So"; "On Green Dolphin Street" , and "My Favorite Things" by Grant Green and Sonny Clark. "It Ain't necessarily so" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP1iyEUyHeI "On Green Dolphin Street" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgYNRz8y6R8 "MY Favorite Things" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTD-4AozN5oSince everyone knows I'm biased, I don't get to vote or make a statement in regard to this. The question is, do you think this album would be acceptable to the jazz buying public at that time. Enjoy the music. |
Hampton Hawes music was like a breath of fresh air; when I say that, I mean no stereotypical cliches.
A ten year prison sentence for a person who's on a self destruct mission, doesn't seem like a right bright thing to do by the judge, but that's the way it was. Since we have an epidemic at the moment, if they keep that up they are going to have to build a lot more prisons.
Heroin addiction is not a musician exclusive thing, and from what I've seen up close and personal, music has nothing to do with it. Contrary to popular belief, it never helped their performance, nor did they believe it would. They used heroin for the same reason all the rest of the addicts used heroin; to feel good. That is until "Ma jones comin down on me".
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While Hampton Hawes was in prison, he met "Stymie" of Our Gang fame, he was in for drug addiction. Sonny Clark ODed while he was in prison; what a coincident that we are talking about "Sonny Clark", and I'm reading about Hampton Hawes stay in prison, who is reading where Sonny Clark done did it one time too many.
I was moved by the pardon JFK gave him; a humanitarian in the White House, that's hard to believe. Hampton was back out on the streets in LA before he realized he wasn't dreaming.
He was busted in order to get suppliers in LA, but when he didn't rat, they gave him ten years; "This'll teach you to squeal if we want you to squeal".
He has a really good autobiography that I will have to get, "Raise Up Off Me", and he had a successful career till he died. His story had a good ending; I'll have to get some of his records.
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Rok, you wont regret it. Naturally I have all those individual CD's, and Sonny Clark is on the way. Grant Green is not the only gifted musician on those CD's. There is a lot of genuine love and admiration among the musicians on these CD's; consequently they make cohesive, coherent music together.
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Frogman, Grant Green was issued in JAPAN, BUT NOT HERE, why can't you understand that? |
Frogman, I have that album, bought it when it came out. There has been a raging debate that Wes Montgomery was better before he became famous with the hit records he is known for, where were you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1Xozvcf0FAThat is my favorite version of "Round Midnight" by Wes. Why don't you just "hang loose" instead of looking for a "T" that I didn't cross, or an "I" that I didn't dot. Enjoy the music. |
Quite often I have a story to tell that goes along with the music; there have been negative comments from "The peanut gallery" but that's the only comments they ever make, (haven't heard from them in awhile?) If anyone feels that I should just leave the stories at home, please say so.
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Fellow aficionados, I have stated that the output of good jazz was affected by adverse economic events. I see very bad economic events that occurred from 2006 through 2008, and then again from 2010 through 2012. These events were like a fire storm for the lower middle class. Although they affected the "upper middle class", they were able to weather the storm.
These events didn't spare any geographical area. While I observed events that were occurring in my neck of the woods, such as large shopping malls going down, I'm certain these same events happened in your neck of the woods. These events occurred because so many people who kept those malls afloat, were left with very little "discretionary income."
Discretionary income is the amount of an individual's income that is left for spending, investing or saving after paying taxes and paying for personal necessities, such as food, shelter and clothing. Discretionary income includes money spent on luxury items, vacations, and nonessential goods and services.
Places where live jazz is played, are the sources of new musicians income, as well as new ideas for music. I recall a place I went to on the weekends that featured a group that centered around an African finger piano. While the instrument was unusual, the musician's ideas were so creative, that I haven't heard anything like it before nor since. That place had to close because of a business downturn. I have mentioned things that occurred in and around St. Louis, and Rok has countered as though these events just occurred in this area. When I mention these events, I am certain that similar events occurred all over the United States of America, at that same time, that affected the same economic "strata".
Rok, mentioned the news, "Do you watch the evening news"? I used to watch the evening news religiously, but when I realized how rarely it concerns me, I quit watching so much. The news is most important to the wealthy, my economic strata is non existent in a general sort of way.
If you are "upper middle class" economically, you weathered those storms that occurred in the four years I mentioned prior to now, but you should be feeling some of the effects now; a lot of things you didn't replace, need replacing now. I also notice strange things in the"Agoner" community; many are struggling to stay in the "high end", while others can buy a 100K amp as easy as buying a bag of popcorn. Also, high end names have gone way up in price, more than inflation can account for.
What does all of that have to do with music? What does all of that have to do with you? As time goes by you will discover these are not normal times, and all of that will affect you. My time began in 2006, and it's affects are still in play; that's very important to allegations I've made concerning the adverse effects of economics to music. I won't provide examples because all the varied cause and effects speak for themselves.
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Rok, you and a lot of other people say the same thing; while It's not true for me personally, I can understand the validity of what you say.
In regard to "Bird" and "Diz", it's also true for you as well as me, that's manifested in all the "modern jazz" you like that they are responsible for. Think about all the musicians you like who will give "Bird" or "Diz" credit for their way of thinking about music.
I will go back through your posts of "Pops" if I have time, because your posts were of music that he made, while my awareness of him has been as an entertainer; think about old movie clips.
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Rok, this represents some of the best jazz of 2016, and I'm sure, that according to Frogman, if I could live very well without it, there is something wrong with my taste in jazz. I think I have already given a description of this music before I even heard it. Now we can get his take on this music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjWiQIBRBqI&list=PLhgRBYq4z5qxoOJ_KN74IwlldurI-g9teIf this ain't a river looking for an ocean, I don't know what is, it sounds like lost people trying to find their way; lets hear what Frogman has to say about this most current music. |
Rok, you have no idea how sad current music is, until you compare it with that Blue Note DVD.
When I got off topic, that got a quick response; but off topic or on topic, we still have no more regular "aficionados" than we do now. When you look at the music forum, the reasons are quite apparent, plus, this is primarily an "audiophile", hangout, not music. When people have 10 different copies of "Kind Of Blue" and "Waltz with me Debbie" ( that last title might be wrong) but you get my drift.
While I have my faults, it seems to me, that it has been stated that if I bent myself around like a pretzel, we would have more regular contributors. I noticed when I stayed on topic for the longest, there were no new names. Now the present topic is old, and new music. Someone introduced some new music that I thought was good; now I didn't say that it was 100% in regard to old and new music, but the general difference is quite apparent.
Never the less, we continue to express our opinions and plod along.
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Frogman, the Bru-Ha man; Rok made a short comment about the news, I responded with a "short" comment, Frogman took that opportunity to blame those two comments for the fact that it hasn't rained new contributors to this thread; he was wrong and he had to have a goat to scape.
Rok, has consistently come up with "new-old" music; that's good music by the old masters that eluded me; Gene Harris isn't new, but the music Rok presented by him is new to me. Frogman, you are beating a dead horse, when are you going to bury him.
Maybe you should be president; they are professionals at playing "The Blame Game", but none of them ever roll up their sleeves and solve any problems. Don't misunderstand me, new people for this thread might be a dead horse, but blaming me isn't going to make anything better.
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All these new members we're suppose to gain on this thread is beginning to remind me of a "snipe hunt". The snipe only come out on a moonless night when it's black dark in the hinterlands beyond the edges of the woods.
My first time in the "country", Bill, Dave, and the fellows invited me to go on a "snipe hunt"; since they didn't invite just anybody to go on this hunt for the elusive snipe, I considered it an honor.
One dark night, they told me the snipe should be running on a night like this; we went out in the woods, way out in the woods. "Say guys, just how far do we have to walk to get to the snipe hunting ground"?
"we're almost there" Dave assured me. "Since you have been elected to be the one who bags the snipe, you take this "snipe bag", and hold it open when we tell you we done spotted one, and chasing him your way".
There I was, in a small clearing way out in the middle of the woods, when Dave yelled out "Snipe on the run".
I had the big bag open, just waiting for the snipe; I was listening too, because he had to make some kind of noise coming my way through the woods. That's when I remembered I forgot to ask how big the snipe was? "If he's too big, the fellows will come and help me", I told myself.
I waited, and waited without hearing a single sound; before I had heard them beating the bushes running the snipe out, but now there wasn't a single sound. After about a half an hour, I began to have serious doubts about the snipe. I know they wouldn't leave me out in the middle of the woods on a dark night holding a bag waiting for the snipe, or would they?
Now, those new members to this thread that Frogman assured me of, are beginning to remind me of the snipe; the only difference is, I'm not in the middle of the woods on a dark night.
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I kind of liked that "Bergundy Blues", all I needed was a flat foot floosy doing the floy floy, and I would have been in heaven.
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Did I post this quite recently? Egberto Gismonti "Sol Do Mia? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUy7UpLTKEQIt has so many musical elements that really float my boat; while the music is in Brazil, it also has African, Spanish, and Native Brazilian components (people who were there when the Europeans discovered Brazil) I like this complete album because of it's diversity and the fact that it's so together at the same time; the music speaks as a cohesive unit. Enjoy the music. |
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Frogman, just where are all these people you claimed would be dropping out of the sky if I never got off track? Are they coming from "Agon"? You must have a credible idea of a source. The people who posted under the various artists maybe?
I really don't expect for you to answer this because you are very selective about answering questions, but I thought I would try.
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Thanks for a choice clip Acman, I'll peruse all my Larry Coryell records tonight.
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Frogman, you make the most "ludicrous" statements of anybody on this thread. "As far as I am concerned there is no room on a thread like this for making a comment "exclusively" for a specific poster; especially when others have been part of the same discussion". We respond back and forth to different individuals all the time, and I responded to a comment that Rok made. Since when do you determine the rules of engagement on this thread? I just said "Your right" because I could see that you were about to go into another of your very long "diatribes" and I thought I might head it off at the pass. Rok made the statement about the media, and I responded; that should have been the end of that. In support of your position, I respect the heck out of Orpheus' and Rok's depth of knowledge about and enthusiasm for "old school jazz" but seems needlessly restrictive to draw a circle around that and dismiss content that falls outside it...regardless of wardrobe. While I most certainly like a lot of "old school jazz", I most certainly do not dismiss content that falls outside of it...regardless of wardrobe. Seems to me Ghosthouse, that you are using Frogman's evaluations; especially when you say "Rok, and Orpheus"; we are not twins. I was just listening to this by "Chico Hamilton" and wandering how you, Ghosthouse, would classify it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI7T9EMZGYc"Old school", is that a type of jazz, or jazz that's bounded by certain dates? If you say all jazz before 2015 is "old school", that would most certainly mean that I'm "Old school". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXdMnwERjG0&list=PLF2393B9681E9451AKick it Chico! Enjoy the music. |
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die Phänomenologie des geist; we need to reflect the reasons for our reasons, the goals behind our goals; therefore, the real progress of any person, a given society and humanity is not to be reduced to merely 'technical progress' (tools, means, at any level) but on a more basic level. Progress requires an improving reflection and understanding upon all goals.
What are your goals Schubert?
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Learsfool, Rok has contributed more to this thread than you, Frogman, and Schubert combined; and we could do without your twice a year negative comments.
Frogman, this thread was going just fine until you changed it from a musical thread to a political thread; that ran all the best jazz contributors away. While there were not that many of them in the first place, they made good regular contributions; but no way were they going to waste their time and knowledge in a political fight.
Learsfool, I grew up with professional jazz musicians from childhood, I hung-out with jazz musicians, one of my friends was a professional jazz musician who could improvise like you wouldn't believe; none of them ever talked music to me; what for? I'm not a musician. When my friend, the professional jazz musician lived with me; our conversations were about his life as a professional jazz musician, or "Where can you get a good bowl of chili"
My best friend's brother went to "Julee-ard", and when he practiced on the piano, the next door neighbor came over to watch, after he finished, the neighbor could repeat everything he practiced. Brother went on to get his degree from "Julee-ard", and became a music teacher, while the neighbor became a professional jazz musician who I saw perform frequently, he was hot. The last time my friend heard from his brother, he was somewhere in Spain (hard to locate). If you want to be financially successful, get a degree from "Julee-ard"; but if you want to be a jazz musician, just go out and do it; either you got it or you don't.
Miles Davis did not graduate from "Julee-ard", he attended for a hot minute until he found Charles "Yardbird" Parker. When Jazz meets classical, it's real light weight; while it can be good music; it's not deep in the groove from which it originated.
Classical people are down right funny when they speak of "jazz improvisation"; they say so many things that they didn't know they said.
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Don't you have to have some kind of clearance to get that CIA book? I was in a meeting, and a wire or something came in and they told me I had to leave the room; only people with security clearances could stay. They told them the Vietnam war had started; the next day it was in the news paper, and I couldn't stop laughing.
If the recording quality is as good as those last CD's we got, I want that.
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Alex, I was listening to "South Side Soul", and thinking about the hippest, coolest, multiethnic neighborhood that ever existed on the planet; 63rd and Cottage Grove was it's center. I don't know what this CD sounds like to someone who wasn't there, but to someone who was, it's one of the best in their collections; that's because they start reminiscing about 'that' South Side.
Although there were so many different ethnic dishes to get there, that I can't remember them all, there are two I will never forget, and those are Bar-B-Q, and Pizza. My mouth waters just trying to recall the ribs, or the pizza; as common as pizza is, how could one be so unforgettable that I can still remember it after all these years. Nothing is more common than Bar-B-Q ribs, but when they are ever so tender, and smoked to the bone, with a sauce that was made in heaven; you can never forget them. Nobody had to tell you when you were getting close to the rib joint; that scent of Bar-B-Q on the smoke pit a block away told your future; "Not too long now".
This neighborhood only existed for a short period of time; there is nothing left to prove it was ever there, almost all of the famous jazz musicians trod those streets to entertain: Dinah Washington, lived in that neighborhood; Bird, Miles, Clifford Brown entertained there; Ahmad Jamal at the Pershing was recorded there; I'm talking about an area so small, that a car would be a hindrance.
The Pershing Lounge, where Ahmad Jamal played, was on 64th and Cottage Grove; we lived near 65th and Cottage Grove. Almost every night, I would don one of my cousin's best sport coats and stroll Cottage Grove (I was a teenager then). The Walgreens at 63rd and Cottage, had a soda fountain where all the cutest girls stopped; and guess what?
Lou Rawls sings a lot about this neighborhood; remember the song about the guy with one woman too many, that setting was in this neighborhood.
I just remembered that I queried on a previous post in regard to sharing my memories; there is a possibility that I repeat; there is a possibility that you heard this one before; if you're tired of my stories, say so.
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There are so many ramifications involved in this Grant Green "Bruha" that can not be proven; that it's foolish to continue one more minute; besides everybody that knows for sure is dead.
Please continue with whatever, and;
Enjoy the music.
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Frogman, you find out for sure, that's fine with me, but there is far more good music that I don't have in my collection for me to bother.
When you find out for sure, please let me know, and I will accept your findings as the last word.
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This Grant Green "Bruha" produced some of the best music I have ever heard, and as Rok said; "It's got me spending money".
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Here is my opinion on John Coltrane. He was so talented, and so good, that it became easy for him to produce some of the best sounds anybody ever heard. When it became easy, he couldn't believe it, he thought he had to practice and work; that's what he did to get that good, it's time to just let his "God Given" talent take command and coast.
Every "candid" photo I ever saw of Trane, even when he was supposed to be having a drink and enjoying the company of other musicians, at Nica's pad, that sax was next to him; he even went to sleep in a chair, with that sax laying across him.
I had been admiring my friends music for 6 years before that summer he came to my apartment. The first time he performed when he was there, I was astounded at the new music. No he never practiced that summer, but each time, the music was different and the response from the audience was overwhelming. After the performance, he never asked me what I thought; although one look at me while he was performing told him anything he wanted to know about what I thought. "Where are we going to get a good bowl of chili?" was his opening conversation.
What I'm saying, is that after Trane got so good that it was unnecessary for him to practice, he kept on; he kept trying to improve something that needed no more improvement. Case in point, I'm making chili and I got it just right; but I decide to add a little more salt to make it "Mo better", and guess what?
I'm not the only person who says Trane went to far out before he died; but since Frogman plays the sax, I'm sure he understood Trane's every last note, but I didn't.
Now it's super absurd, to say that a person who had not played for a year did not need to practice; but how much practice does a performing improvising jazz musician need? I say that practice could take away some of the "instantaneous" improvisation required of a musician who is playing Trane's kind of jazz, which was the exact same kind of jazz my friend was playing.
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Why does this "stereotypical" jazz sound so good to everybody but me. It might have sounded good at that time, but I can live without now. Rok I can understand why that wasn't released.
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This is one of the tunes that was on my play list today "Erica" by John Handy; it's on the LP "Where Go The Boats", that came out in 78. I think it's a beautiful tune, that would befit a beautiful lady named "Erica". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IZb8AJQ7acEnjoy the music. |
Good question Acman; it's when some of the very best jazz musicians don't have anything original to play, and they just get together and play a bunch of well worn familiar jazz "cliches" and then they call it "jammin". JATP is well known for this; they assembled Charley Parker, Miles Davis, Mingus and every other Who's who in jazz, and told them what and how to play, but as long as the check was good, who cared.
When you hear this kind of music, you say to yourself, "I think I've heard that or something like it before"
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Rok, that was even better than my definition; are you running for "Grand Poobah"?
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