@ Yul1375, wow!, you are very good at this, are you a writer of some sort!, I highly enjoyed what I read here, very well explained, no confusion about what was described, I do not know if you had the opportunity to play with the settings of the esoteric K series, users claim that there are settings to give the illusion of tubes,, just on your descriptions of sound that you reported, I am very interested in an audition of the k-03, please do not take this the wrong way, I am not bragging here, I try to be modest, I have Taralabs the Zero Gold interconnects that have the most absolute full body sound with rich sound scapes holographic all over my listening room with complete focus, more less, the stuff audiophiles dream of with sound, and I have the matching speaker cables, the Taralabs omega gold speaker cables, I just bought the top of the brand Taralabs cobalt power cord with the oyaide plugs two weeks ago to go on whatever source I get, the cables and The krell 700cx will likly give the rest of the sound to the Esoteric If I go that route, I am going to defiantly audition before I buy!, who knows, I may get disapointed with esoteric, I hate analitical sound!, I love tube sound done right!,, I know this, what I am about to say may come to you as a shock, I do not change cables for componets, If a componet does not sound good with the cables that I have, that componet is gone!,, leaves alot less room for mistakes, instead of chaseing the cables by the tail syndrome, alot of money can be spent doing that!, and you will never find absolution, the cables I use are in the handful of best available, I can hear this and know it, so at the end of the day, The cables expose the componets for what they are really about!, the weakest link so to speak of, If there is one, I will know, you really do not want to know what such cables retail for, lets just say, a small house!, no, I do not have money like that, I just have worked so hard to do this system since april, 2012, not very long, I am tring to invest in a system that I can ride off into the sunset with, I am 46, I need to think about these things, If I can get a state of the art sound today, who cares what sounds better tomorrow, good sound will never become obsolete!, thats what I am betting on, If it sounds great to me and the wife, were done, untill something is broken, I am not sold on the esoteric, It is however top of my list!, Thankyou, you are a wonderful gentleman, you have done more here than most, congrats are in full order!,, Happy Listening. |
@ yul1375, Hi, Are you there?, Whats going on with the 5s now?, what cables are you useing?, What was the cable you switched out?, cheers. |
@ audiolabyrinth. I tried the new eh 6h30 pi gold pins. It made ayon cd2s open up but it was bright sounding. No matter what I did it remained bright. It is focused on the midrange big time. Not as balanced as I would like. I put old tubes back in but it took a big step back. It was too forward but not open enough. It was a bad combination. I wanted to possibly try the 6 h30 dr tubes. I heard that try are great. They are just expensive. What do you think. Also if anyone reads this and they have the 6h30 dr tubes in an ayon cd2s or cd5s please chime in. I heard they are the best tubes by far. |
@yull1375. The ayon seems to going through a nasty break in period. I think it is at about 100 hrs at this point. I changed tubes but I didn't let them break in before I took them back out. I'm wondering how much break in is a factor and the player sounds completely different from when I first got it. I need more warmth out of my system. It was smooth at first and now is trending brighter. I have the sovtek stock 6h30 in right now. I didn't like the eh 6h30 gold pins that much. Any suggestions. Anyone can chime in on this one. |
@ calvinj, Hi, Your Ayon 2s player has to have 400 hours of break-in period with the stock tubes, then you can listen to the player a few hours and know your sound, after that, the eh gold pins 6h30 tubes, I would re-install, they, like any other tubes need 100 hours of burn-in to hear their potental, when you heard the new tubes, that was not their final sound, they, as I said, The new tubes will settle down and most likly, better the sound of the stock tubes. |
I'm gonna go for the super tubes. Not gonna play around with the cheap stuff. I'm trying to Win a medal |
@ calvinj, Let me know what happens, The best of luck! |
@ yull @ labyrinth. I just bough tubes tonight. Waiting for them to ship. 6h30 dr. Wish me luck. |
@ calvinj, Hi, I have no idea why yull1375 does not talk no more, I hope I my cables was not imtimadating to him!, He is a really nice guy, I enjoy talking to him, I would like to see him come back!, calvin, you are a trip!, Please understand what I am saying!, your player takes 450 hours of break-in!, your new tubes will benefit your sound extensivly!, However, It will never fix the forward sound!, I really hope I get supprised that the Dr tubes fixed the forward sound!, I really do not believe that is possible!,, Also, please understand that all tubes need atleast 100 hours or more of break-in time when you tube roll!, I do wish you luck!, I would like for you to tell me all your findings, you are not a bad guy, just inexsperienced, no problem!, there is no way you will know your sound untill you achieve the proper break-in time!, cheers. |
Well we will see what happens. It actually wasn't sounding forward to me. Just trying to get good sound. First time with tubes. Usually a solid state guy. We will see what happens. I'm also not trying to buy a luxury car price in audio. Trying to get to a good place so I can enjoy the music. Don't wanna compare with the world just trying to get a good sound so I can enjoy the music. |
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Well we will see what happens. It actually wasn't sounding forward to me. Just trying to get good sound. First time with tubes. Usually a solid state guy. We will see what happens. I'm also not trying to buy a luxury car price in audio. Trying to get to a good place so I can enjoy the music. Don't wanna compare with the world just trying to get a good sound so I can enjoy the music. This hobby is interesting. So many combinations. So many different sounds and preferences. I've heard 7500 dollar systems sound better than 30000 dollar systems. Some people are never happy no matter how good it sounds. I'm gonna get to a good place and enjoy the music. That's what it was supposed to be in the first place. |
@ calvinj, I agree with you!, It is all about the music, If I thought I can use the Ayon 2s, why would I want to try something else?, I already said, The vincent tube hybred balanced $2,800.00,, now $2,500.00 brand new player is WAY better than the Ayon 2s!, I cannot use it with my amp!, You would be shocked at the sound once it breaks-in!, very musical and real sounding!, warm sounding, a perfect soundstage!, Bass to die for!, I may buy another one any way for my second system!, It uses 3-12ax7 tubes and 1-12au7 tube, 4 channel balanced, and a philips vam 1202 transport!, pcm burrbrown 1796 dacs!, wima caps and M-caps!,and a head-phone amp built in to boot!, I was extreamly happy with this un popular player!, Its sold at Audio Advisor!, cheers. |
I thought about that one actually before I bought the ayon. I needed something smooth and warm. I also was told that the tube used is just a flat out better grade of tube than you can try on the ayon. It is warmer. Do you have the Vincent player now |
Just tried hi fidelity cables ct1 out of Plano Texas . They are really good. Great micro details and balanced. Great transparency. Really good at details and treble extension. |
@ calvinj, no I no longer have the vincent player, we thought it was bleeding d/c into my amp, come to find out, the vincent player was not the problem, to late, we had audio visor refund us our money,this player is alot more warm and musical with the stock tubes than the Ayon 2s!!, the ayon is resolving on the treble and has over clarity, the vincent sounds very, very real, its spooky!, if you want a good deal on the fidelity cables, there is tons of them here on the audiogon used market currently!, Happy Hunting, and by all means, save yourself some money!, I bought 2 cables on my main system used!, cheers! |
Supertubes have arrived they will be installed tomorrow will report after I Have them installed tomorrow. |
@ calvinj, please let them burn-in,I look forward to what you say after that happens, cheers. |
Thanks, I will be patient with these tubes.. Wish me luck. |
@ calvinj, Hi, If you report that these tubes work to your satiesfaction, I will consider buying some for my player, thankyou calvin. |
I will pick it back up tomorrow. I will have something up by Sunday. |
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@ calvinj, remember, give the tubes 100 hours before you think about ripping them out!, I believe your other tubes would have sounded good if you let them settle in, I will be here, cheers. |
@audiolabryinth. The tubes made a huge improvement. I wish they would have told me to just by the 6h30 dr tubes in the first place. I am now going to keep my ayon cd2s. It is smooth natural and balanced from top to bottom. I am going to keep burning in the tubes but so far so good. Anyone who owns an ayon cd2s should use these tubes period. I will do another review in two weeks to update you my ayon brother. Lol. |
@ calvinj, Hi, Did you get the new tubes installed yet? |
@ calvinj,, mmmmm, Do the new tubes sound forward right now?, Ayon brothers! |
I did say get the Dr tubes in the first place,LOL! |
@ calvinj, whats up, tell me more of whats happened so far with the Dr tubes,can you be more specific? cheers. |
They don't sound forward. I would call them balanced detailed and refined. Balanced because the other tubes were forward in the treble and thin in the treble., too heavy in the midrange and weak in the bass area. The dr tubes are just more balanced and sound just right. It allows you to listen to the music as a whole. It is very smooth and enjoyable. You are right I should have got the 6h30 dr tubes in the first place. I also just hear the hi fidelity ct-1 cables. They sound really good. |
Acalvinj, High fidelity cables are worth having, they do not compaire to Tara best cable models!,, you are convincing me to get the tubes you have!, Thankyou for getting back to me, you are cool!, as these tubes break-in, I would like to know your impresseions of the sound, I am on stand-by!, Ayon brothers! |
Cool, they are just flat out better than the other two tubes the sovtek and the eh. They are just more balanced, clean and smoother than the others. |
Calvin, Tell me of the soundstage, this is important!, Is it bigger?,Deeper?, non forward sounding?, does the sound come betwwen you and the speakers/ in the middle of your listening room?,, Did you buy your tubes from usa tube audio? |
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Voices are dead in the middle. The sound stage is deeper and wider. It no loner sounds forward like it used to. It went from sizzle to smooth. I bought them from conus tubes in Canada. It is a more room filling sound. |
@ calvinj, mmmm, what year of tubes did you buy?, I thought you got the 1980 tubes, the year makes a big difference, the 1980 year is said to be the best, thats what usa tubes is selling, how much did you spend on your tubes?, there is a 1986 year that is made that is not as good, but they do sound good, not to the extent of the 1980 nos reflector Dr 6h30 tubes, ayon brothers. |
@ calvinj, Wow!, I just talked to conus tubes, where in the world did you hear about this place?, they have the fricken tubes I want, man-o-man are you fucxxxx lucky!, what a Dog!, you are just now telling me all this!, hook a fellow Ayon brother up why don't ya!, It does not even matter which tubes you got from there, Bingo Dude!, you hit the tube lottery!, congrats are in full order here!, I am jealous!, hopefully I get mine in the fall!, I know I will!, Ayon brothers. |
Calvinj, e-mail me thru the audiogon when you get time, I need to talk to you. |
@ calvinj, whats up?, you must be lost in the moment of listening to some tunes, LOL!, Get back to me when you get a chance. |
@audiolabryinth I got my clarus crimson speaker cables back in my system. I put them in and I put a nordost Tyr ic., a high fidelity ct 1 ic. , a robusto power cord on my classe ca 2200,a clarus crimson power cord on my cp800 and a mit ziii power cord on my ayon cd2s. The ayon has those nos 6h30 dr super tubes in it now and what I heard today is the best my system has sounded ever. It was clear clean detailed and musical all at the same time. The super tubes took my ayon to a another level. I put on melody gardot, four play and the buena vista social club as demos and it was amazing. I was think about selling my sonus faber luitos but now I think I might keep them. What I heard today really makes me happy. It has been a long road to get to this point. A long expensive road. But today it was worth it. I might do a few minor tweaks or I might go for the concert grands by vienna acoustic. But the ayon cd2s sounded like the expensive player I thought I was getting now it has the super tubes. All of this might not work for everyone but the tweaks have been great to experience. Everyone has thier preferences to brands or sounds but this combination makes me proud and satisfied however you know we all are crazy and we will try to improve it again. I will as well. Ha ha ha. Alright my ayon brother.
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@ calvinj, You never said how you heard about conus tubes?, I was told their pricing, It appears you are a good shopper, I believe you saved alot of money?,, How many total hours do you have on your Ayon 2s now?, this is important!, you need to keep up with the hour use period, so you will know when you should change the tubes, I need to know your total hours so I will know what your player is actually doing, At 450 hours, the 2s usually turns forward sounding period, I do not think you are at 450 hours, what total hours do you have, Cheers, Ayon brothers. |
I think I am at 120 hours of use at this point. I have about 30 hours on the new tubes. I hope the tubes will have it continue to be balanced. I heard about conus through a grind and one of our acquaintances from Chicago said he was legit. |
Also. It might be the tubes as well. I'm going to borrow my friends parasound cd1 to compare again. |
@ calvinj,, Hi, remember, your Ayon 2s will change in sound dramatically at 430 to 450 hours of use, be prepaired, I hope the new Dr tubes do miracles and your player does not turn forward sounding when the ayon 2s gets to the hours stated here. keep me posted, ayon brothers. |
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I will. That should happen in about 5 months or less. We will see. |
@ calvinj, 5 months!, I run my player 10 to 12 hours a day while I was gone working, I stacked 450 hours in less than 90 days!, I was breaking in the unit with music only, I wanted to know what the player sounded like, so I could go from there with my next move, I always turned the system off at night, that way every thing settled in properly and I did not have to hear it all the time, what year tubes did conus send you?, cheers, Ayon Brothers. |
Cool I will try doing that as well |
Calvin
Can you put yup a link to Conus tubes - I could not find them. I am running 1980 Dr's and want to have a replacement set |
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Has any owner of CD5s ever use the XLR input.
There is no connector release lever in the XLR input of CD5s. How can the cable be released if you decide to change another XLR cable
Please advise |
Gammajo, I found them with ease with Bing!, conus tube audio , canada, get the fricken 1972 tubes, you will be astonished!$700. 00 for 4! |
I will be trying a full loom high fidelity ct1 cables. Will do a review in a week. |
@ Calvinj, well, you beat me to the draw!, I seen you selling your Ayon 2s player here on the gon, what are you getting next? |
I'm thinking about getting a parasound cd1 or a Sony 5400. Or I might just get a server trying to get away from the discs. I got a cp800 classe it he dac in it is amazing. I changed speaker cables to ct1 enhanced and they are good enough to take my music digital. |
