I didn't have any luck Ghosthouse. Why don't you put the link up to what you think is best.
Enjoy the music.
Jazz for aficionados
Jazz for aficionados
I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
Enjoy the music.
I'm going to review records in my collection, and you'll be able to decide if they're worthy of your collection. These records are what I consider "must haves" for any jazz aficionado, and would be found in their collections. I wont review any record that's not on CD, nor will I review any record if the CD is markedly inferior. Fortunately, I only found 1 case where the CD was markedly inferior to the record.
Our first album is "Moanin" by Art Blakey and The Jazz Messengers. We have Lee Morgan , trumpet; Benney Golson, tenor sax; Bobby Timmons, piano; Jymie merrit, bass; Art Blakey, drums.
The title tune "Moanin" is by Bobby Timmons, it conveys the emotion of the title like no other tune I've ever heard, even better than any words could ever convey. This music pictures a person whose down to his last nickel, and all he can do is "moan".
"Along Came Betty" is a tune by Benny Golson, it reminds me of a Betty I once knew. She was gorgeous with a jazzy personality, and she moved smooth and easy, just like this tune. Somebody find me a time machine! Maybe you knew a Betty.
While the rest of the music is just fine, those are my favorite tunes. Why don't you share your, "must have" jazz albums with us.
Enjoy the music.
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I'm listening to John Coltrane and my present references are to "Kulu Se Mama". Juno Lewis is doing African vocals, and percussion; it's on the Impulse label. Although this is pretty far out, it's within musical bounds (according to me, and my definition of "musical bounds") This was recorded October 14, 1965, two years after I saw him live. I make this point in time to establish a couple of things; although I heard what can best be described as "free jazz" after he played "My Favorite Things" as far as it would go, so far he has not recorded this "free jazz". "Kulu Se Mama" gets 4 stars, I like it. There's another point I want to make; Elvin Jones and McCoy Tyner are with him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryMLO7Ed4d8 Now we go into a time when Elvin Jones and McCoy Tyner are not with John Coltrane. In 63, when Trane went so far out, that McCoy Tyner looked at Elvin Jones, who was already looking at him, as if to say "What now"? and McCoy Tyner looked down at his piano, as if to say "just follow me". What I'm doing right now is duplicating that moment in time without McCoy Tyner and Elvin Jones. I'm also saying something that's never been said, great musicians of the stature of McCoy Tyner and Elvin Jones don't like to be left in mid air in front of a live audience, and evidently what I saw in 63 was happening quite often; they looked silly for an instant, and the audience was looking at them with a quizzical look because they were not with Trane musically. This is from "Infinity" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3jaJDr8zKA Frogman, can you be musically and politically correct? The reason I make this statement is because you always choose to be "politically" correct. What is your assessment when comparing "free jazz" to what I consider is within musical bounds. This is definitely out of what I consider "Musical bounds", what say you frogman? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjDrkTmqxQk Enjoy the music |
Ghosthouse, it takes a long list of very good recordings over a period of years for an artist to be considered a good jazz musician, but if an artist is not even being considered, yet has two good recordings, I want those two good recordings. Case in point "Sugarcane Harris", I never heard his name before, but I'm presently enjoying his music, thanks to you. Enjoy the music. |
Acman, "Free Jazz", should be free; I'm sure I wouldn't think that way if I was on the set feeling all the vibes, but since I'm not..... Chicago Underground, was interesting; easy to listen to, I like the combination of instruments. I'll have to hear more in order to form an opinion, but they're off to a good start. Enjoy the music. |
frogman, on this date and time 05-10-2016 8:09pm I asked you a question that you never answered. If I ask you where you're going, you tell me where you have been. If I ask you where you have been, you tell me where you're going, but whatever the question, you never answer, but go into one of your long diatribes. Today is 05/17/2016, that means that question was asked 7 days ago. I reworded that same question on 05/16/2016 5:43PM. on 05/16/2016 8:17 PM you pop up, back leading the parade (where have you been) since you're back leading the parade, I let you know I'm glad you're back "Leading the parade". What do you do? you go "back" to a post written at 5:43PM, and you still don't respond to the post, but go into a rant about "political correctness". I'm the person who brought up Santana "Abraxas", not as an illustration of fusion. On 05/15/2016 at 1:55 PM I brought up Santana to set up the time frame, and I also brought up "The Beatles" did you think that I was using them for an example of fusion as well? I can not imagine anyone stupid enough to think Santana "Abraxas" was fusion. Why did you think that I was stupid enough to think "Abraxas" was fusion? "I never cease to amaze you" that's funny because you don't amaze me "It's the same old Frogman" never reading anyone's post all the way through, getting whatever meaning he chooses to get out of every post, and never answering any questions directly. I've mentioned this thing about Coltrane more times than I can count, and you have yet to respond to it. All you have to do is listen to the music and tell me what you think. You have already listened to the music that I used as an example of the same music he played when I saw him live in 63, and you don't know how to answer. Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, it crossed my mind, that you had mentioned we had not gone into fusion in depth. (idea) Go into fusion, and let Frogman "Lead the Parade" You posted on page 127; 5-15-2016 10:31 AM and you did not post again until 5-16-2016 at 8:17 PM, that's over 24 hours, and you were supposed to be leading the parade in fusion. After your first post, I responded with a positive post. What do you do; instead of going on into fusion, you go into one of your negative diatribes as usual. Rok, does not like fusion, I liked fusion when it came out, but when Rok mentioned it did not pass the CD test, I knew exactly what he was talking about; I spent money on one of those HD down loads, and never even play the thing, I forgot about it; that says what I care about fusion. If anything can be "F"ed up you're the man to do it. We didn't have to be here, but we are. Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, almost all genres of music relate to something that's common to a lot of people in some segment of this population; blues, "My women done left me"; jazz, hip city streets; hillbilly, rural life, mostly in the south; country and western; horses, cowboys, rodeo life; you get the picture, and you can go on and on with the different segments of the population. "Jazz fusion"; look at the covers on the albums, and the titles; "Hymn to The Seventh Galaxy", with electronic space music; there's no way that music could stand the test of time. Music doesn't exist in a vacuum, it has to relate to something that relates to human beings in order to withstand the test of time. Since you were enthused with "Fusion", I was certain that you could lead us to whatever we missed, and that I might be able to add something new from that genre of music. Now that the interest is below 0, I think we should let Rok take us into whatever direction he chooses. Enjoy the music. |
The name for the day is Trilok Gurtu; he is a very interesting individual who has collaborated with a number of master jazz musicians. Without a doubt, he is one of the most innovative percussionist around; not only that, but he can work in a lot of different grooves; here he is with his own trio. I don't know what this gal is singing, but I like it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtI91wVr6vs "The Magic of Drums" with Airto Moreira, and Trilok; and this is just the beginning of what Trilok can do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISj_X-qgyj8 Enjoy the music. |
Carlos Santana is one of my favorite artists, and when I mentioned him before, I was trying to establish the mood of the early seventies by naming other artists in different genres who were popular. I know when I visited some of my other friends who were jazz aficionados, they also had the latest "Carlos Santana". Here's another Santana I like a lot; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_YsoCDrnH4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrWqli5cq1E Enjoy the music. |
Now the 70's are really coming back to me; Jazz, what's that? How about this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ouMaLRth-s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV3Al6CdmUQ Git down Charley Brown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihDYK12WMG4 Enjoy the music |
During the 70's, there was no "you-tube" to help you decide what records to buy,consequently, you depended on music reviews, or recommendations from other people; the music reviews could explain how I got all these ECM records. I had gotten tired of buying "crappy" records I didn't like by known artists even; it was a real crap shoot, because you couldn't take records back. That's when I began going with what I had heard, or the most consistent artist. Santana was certainly consistent, and sometime he included known jazz artists, like Alice Coltrane, but today I'm more in the mood for something more current by Santana; like "Blues For Salvador". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xxr3-CBams&list=PL5wKk_oSFx1VL0aYDSHiOSOSRtQikam9Y&index=2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVeFsfOwCa8&list=PL5wKk_oSFx1VL0aYDSHiOSOSRtQikam9Y&index=5 Santana was a heck of a lot more consistent than jazz at that time; I had spent too much money for saying WTF after the first cut. Enjoy the music. |
Rok, I don't know about the mambo, but I'm sure ready for the "Lambada". Maybe a little bit of both. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwoK0u52Tw4 I think I got spring fever. Enjoy the music |
It seems that I was into everything except jazz in the 70's; apparently "Shadowfax" is another group I was into. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQY0rA5W574 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AMyjWL81_c What say you about this music? Enjoy the music. |
Rok, while you were listening, I was reading about Carlos Santana and Leon Thomas; very interesting story. http://www.freeform.org/music/jazzsupreme/leon.thomas/santana.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp3jDl2t1kw Enjoy the music. |
Rok, this is what went out of Scott AFB when the Tsunami hit in the Indian ocean. http://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/135288/amc-aircraft-people-support-tsunami-r... I couldn't care less what Mavis Staples is talking about, but it wasn't Katrina, it was the Aftermath in New Orleans. I was stationed at Scott in the reserves as a "loadmaster", I know what a C5A can carry; Scott was 2 hours from New Orleans. Lewis Armstrong International was dry, no problem landing a C5A. This occurred eight months before the "Katrina" disaster. The Indian Ocean is half way around the world from Scott AFB, and New Orleans was two hours flight time from Scott. While the city was flooded, Louis Armstrong International remained dry and able to receive air traffic. C5A's are really huge aircraft, and just one flight complete with food, water, hospital staff, and rescue personnel, plus the ability to coordinate all military resources in that area; would have solved New Orleans problems, and all it took was one phone call from the White House. KATRINA TIMELINE By ThinkProgress on Sep 6, 2005 at 11:53 pm Sunday, August 28 APPROXIMATELY 30,000 EVACUEES GATHER AT SUPERDOME WITH ROUGHLY 36 HOURS WORTH OF FOOD [Times-Picayune] Monday, August 29 — KATRINA MAKES LANDFALL AS A CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE [CNN] 7:30 AM CDT — BUSH ADMINISTRATION NOTIFIED OF THE LEVEE BREACH: The administration finds out that a levee in New Orleans was breached. On this day, 28 “government agencies, from local Louisiana parishes to the White House, [reported that] that New Orleans levees” were breached. [AP] 11:13 AM CDT – WHITE HOUSE CIRCULATES INTERNAL MEMO ABOUT LEVEE BREACH: “Flooding is significant throughout the region and a levee in New Orleans has reportedly been breached sending 6-8 feet of water throughout the 9th ward area of the city.” [AP] 8PM CDT — GOV. BLANCO AGAIN REQUESTS ASSISTANCE FROM BUSH: “Mr. President, we need your help. We need everything you’ve got.” [Newsweek] LATE PM — BUSH GOES TO BED WITHOUT ACTING ON BLANCO’S REQUESTS Tuesday, August 30 U.S.S. BATAAN SITS OFF SHORE, VIRTUALLY UNUSED: “The USS Bataan, a 844-foot ship designed to dispatch Marines in amphibious assaults, has helicopters, doctors, hospital beds, food and water. It also can make its own water, up to 100,000 gallons a day. And it just happened to be in the Gulf of Mexico when Katrina came roaring ashore. The Bataan rode out the storm and then followed it toward shore, awaiting relief orders. Helicopter pilots flying from its deck were some of the first to begin plucking stranded New Orleans residents. But now the Bataan’s hospital facilities, including six operating rooms and beds for 600 patients, are empty.” [Chicago Tribune] Wednesday, August 31 SUPERDOME; CONDITIONS DETERIORATE: “A 2-year-old girl slept in a pool of urine. Crack vials littered a restroom. Blood stained the walls next to vending machines smashed by teenagers. ‘We pee on the floor. We are like animals,’ said Taffany Smith, 25, as she cradled her 3-week-old son, Terry. … By Wednesday, it had degenerated into horror. … At least two people, including a child, have been raped. At least three people have died, including one man who jumped 50 feet to his death, saying he had nothing left to live for. There is no sanitation. The stench is overwhelming.”" [Los Angeles Times, 9/1/05] 3,000 STRANDED AT CONVENTION CENTER WITHOUT FOOD OR WATER: “With 3,000 or more evacuees stranded at the convention center — and with no apparent contingency plan or authority to deal with them — collecting a body was no one’s priority. … Some had been at the convention center since Tuesday morning but had received no food, water or instructions.” [Times-Picayune They remembered all of those resources that were directed out of Scott Air Force Base, Ill, for people half way around the world in the Indian Ocean; but they forgot they had them for the citizens of New Orleans, which was only two hours flight time from Scott. |
Rok your first allegiance is to the Constitution of the United States, not to some criminal politicians in high price suits in Washington who no more respect the constitution than they do you and me. While crack addicts, and heroin addicts are addicted to dope, those politicians are addicted to MONEY, and whether you believe it or not "freeway Rickey" would be free if he had paid his dues to the people he was suppose to pay them to, and that's just a grain of sand on a huge mountain. Who paid for Scott AFB and every plane on it? Who paid for the USS Bataan? Who Paid your salary while you were in the military? How much benefit did those citizens of New Orleans get out of the taxes they paid, and their ancestors paid. Those people paid for the USS Bataan, and they were entitled to benefit from it's use, as well as everything else that belongs to "Citizens of the United States of America" The people where the Tsunami hit were not even citizens of this country; what entitled them to the benefits they received? Rok, your allegiance is not to criminals in expensive suits but to the United States Constitution. This country as you believe it to be, has not existed since Charley Chan was a government officer. (Frogman, I know Charley Chan is fiction, but the fact that government agencies functioned like they were suppose to function is the point I'm trying to get across, please don't post that "Charley Chan is fiction) I, Rok_____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962). Think about the oath of allegiance and what is the first thing you defend. |
Chelsea Bridge has long been one of my favorite tunes, and here it is by Gary Bartz. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r06X2gyc-FM Enjoy the music. |
Definition: There are so many different types of definitions, that we could go crazy just defining the word "Definition". When it comes to the word "Jazz", I always explain what the word means to me "personally", as opposed to any universally acceptable definition of the word. Rok's definition was the acceptable "historical" definition up to a point in time; also, there are some jazz musicians who themselves don't like the word, and prefer "Blues Player". I have stated "my" definition of the word, and by now, Aficionados, should know it; that should be sufficient for "communications", which is what this thread is all about. This thread is not intended for "Publication", which would mean everything has to be technically accurate. People who post on a regular basis on this thread, "Live jazz"; it's part of their daily life, and we share what we live with one another; it is not written that we should agree. When people who have lived, and are still living a genre of music, that no one seems to know what to call it, they should not be expected to agree. I appreciate the most recent contributions, and I will listen in depth, and get back to you on the music. Enjoy the music. |
"Aficionados"! On this day, Friday, the 20th of May, 2016, Orpheus and Frogman agree on something; ditto on Wynton. Don't be surprised if a volcano somewhere erupts, or some other cataclysmic event occurs. If there was an award for the most "stereotypical" jazz of the year, Wynton Marsalis would win it every year. Enjoy the music. |
Alex, some of your links aren't coming up, but what does is good. The Trio, Gaylor, Bean, Norris is good; they're new to me, I'll have to get them. Johnny Pisano & Billy Bean Quintet, with Chico Hamilton "Indian Summer" had a definite West Coast sound; I liked it; I developed an appetite for the West Coast. I think it's an acquired taste. Although Chico Hamilton and Bud Shank are the only names I recognized, they were all good. Enjoy the music. |
"Grover Washington Jr." was certainly popular in the 70's. That's when I was traveling a lot between St. Louis and Atlanta, and Grover Washington was very popular in both places. He was one of the most consistent musicians when it came to good sounding music; that continued up until his death in 1999. In 1971, he came out with an album titled "Inner City Blues", and there was not one bad cut on it; as a matter of fact, I have to present 3 cuts on that album: Inner City Blues; Mercy Mercy Me, and Ain't No Sunshine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUxHao8aZPI&list=PLutzgs53WVha-XVfWBt4zEqpnhCfoiMl5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CXWsVg3ZC4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKfiyY9UcpI Those three cuts were from the same album. I bought that album when it came out, and it is well worn. This is what "Wiki" says about Grovers style; Fusion, Jazz-Funk, Smooth Jazz; I'm not quite sure I know what all that means, but when Grover does it, I like it. One last time for Grover; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaeEEqA3pPs Enjoy the music. |
One of my favorite vocal albums is one I've been listening to a lot lately; it's "Film Noir" which was nominated for the Grammy Award for Best Traditional Pop Vocal Performance. This album is by Carly Simon, who has been all over the place in regard to musical genres. This album, Carly Simon and her vocals seem to bring a part of my past alive, and back to the present. Have you ever heard a song, or an album that you felt was made especially for you; every song in this album reaches me in that manner. The very first cut on this album grabbed me; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0wta3xkqJo&list=PLF8ORYKG1eEqjPegl49CHYc_Scqa40vDm It's like when you were with one woman but thinking about another, and this other woman seemed to have the audacity to be looking over your shoulder and telling you "You Won't Forget Me". Fortunately this album comes with a video, I think you'll like it. Enjoy the music. |
Ghosthouse, you got my day off to a good start; when I discovered that something I posted is not only benefiting you, but also someone in your family, that really blessed my day. This is another album by Didier Lockwood that impressed me; he can touch on so many different genres, and still stay in the framework of jazz. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbsnoE4RvCk&list=PLehwxpvRcYAGVoOfi1iG4PzEvPoXWlRoU Enjoy the music. |
Rok, I happened to be listening to this album, and I was wondering if you have it "Soul Stirrin" by Benny Green on trombone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aeVlQtsaFE&list=PL5BC966488E04EF5F Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, I don't think expressing points of disagreement is "throwing rocks", and apparently you don't either. What is "stereotypical" to one person is really "gittin down" to another person; that's because the other person hasn't heard as much jazz, consequently, what's old hat to me, is new to you, and you don't recognize it as "stereotypical" because you haven't heard it before. Enjoy the music. |
Rok, was the Sonny Clark set in St. Louis, MO.? I had to pay $35. for the vinyl record because it wasn't on CD, so think how lucky you are if you can get it on CD; I think it's boss, and I certainly can't count the times I've heard it; which means it can stand repeated listening, however, if you think otherwise..... Enjoy the music. |
Rok, do you remember that scene in the "Blues Brothers" when they played the wrong kind of music in a "Country & Western" joint; that's what would have happened to Grant Green if he had played "Moon River" in a "Hard Bop" establishment in St. Louis; at the places he was accustomed to playing. The CD was in reference to Benny Green "Soul Stirrin"; if you can get the CD you're one lucky fellow; as a matter of fact, if it's available on CD, I'm going to order one. Enjoy the music. |
Frogman, you are one of the most interesting individuals I have ever encountered. You tend to have a very provocative style as demonstrated by your unnecessary reference to me in a discussion that I had no part in; and your admonition that I "not post that CC is fiction". Why do you make the assumption that I would? Frogman, you thought I confused "Like Young" as classical music in a post that was meant for "Learsfool", plus you understood that I thought "Santana" was fusion in a post that wasn't meant for you. I thought I would head you off at the pass, (so to speak) in regard to CC. "Stereotypical" can have a number of different meanings depending on who's using it and how it's used. When I use it I'm referring to jazz "cliches" that have been used over and over again. Since you are a musician, you should be able to recognize them better than me. Presuming that I've heard more jazz than you is possibly a bit of self flattery, but it would depend on our age differences and how much we listen to jazz. Since you also listen to classical, we have to eliminate that portion of your time. In regard to all the different chronology of jazz, I'm guilty, but since I spend more time, I'll call it a wash. While this is much to do about nothing, it's been a dull boring day anyway. Enjoy the music. |
Rok, I hate when somebody misses one of my jokes, especially when it's meant for them; consequently I'll have to tell this one over again. The joke was not about the narrator of the event, but the event itself, and I asked you "Who does this remind you of" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bF5yqfaYVw Enjoy the music. |
I can hear a musical phrase, and when I hear it again, recognize it, but I can't tell where I heard it the first time. Another thing is when a musician is "clinical", his music doesn't flow; I think that's the "Juilliard" effect. When people have been taught precisely how to do something, that's the way they do it; maybe classical music works in that fashion, but not jazz. I have observed that when a musician has had little formal musical education, but somehow he's getting his musical message across, you only hear the part of his playing that reveals a lack of formal training. When a person goes from one extreme (a degree from Juilliard) to the other extreme, which would be no formal training but has, what I can only identify as God given talent; in jazz, it's quite possible that the person with natural talent, to sound so much better than the person with the degree from Juilliard; especially if they're playing extemporaneous hard bop. I notice you like to use the expression of "nuts and bolts" to indicate formal training, and musicians who rely on formal training sound mechanical; hence, your expression of "nuts and bolts" is quite appropriate. Enjoy the music. |
"A slow hot wind"; nothing could be more descriptive, or seductive; "A slow hot wind in the Philippines." A slow hot wind in Montego Bay Jamaica off the coral reefs in the Caribbean Sea; that’s the beginning of my next novel (although I haven’t written the first) With a beginning like that, and music like this, you know it’s got to be hot; you submit your own fantasy to fit the first chapter, I already lived mine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNxf0cSOwio |